Defending Obama at leftwing blogs

Here’s Matt Yglesias today on “Obama’s Obsessive Focus“:

[P]olitical success and policy success are deeply intertwined in a recession, and a White House that thinks “too much policy focus” has been its big sin is unlikely to turn things around.

As much as Yglesias wants to focus on the “what next,” his commenters at Think Progress were more interested in re-hashing what went wrong, leading to a familiar round of “Obama’s a wimp” and “we needed FDR and we got a moderate Republican” comments at ThinkProgress.  I responded as follows:

…sure, maybe he could have tried “New Deal 2.0 to the power of Krugman,” but, in playing alternative history, it’s easy to underestimate what a high risk strategy it would have been, and to overestimate preparedness among the real existing Dem leadership and infrastructure to follow through consequentially on an agenda that a year or two earlier would have been two or three extra notches to the left of conceivable. Obama opted for policies that should have been “consensual,” and was forced by Republican/conservative intransigence and opportunism to settle for “defensible” within the standards of that mostly ruptured consensus – a consensus which, unfortunately for left-progressives, has moved center right over the course of 40-50 years. You don’t just wake all the way up from that overnight. You now have the opportunity to prepare for the next perceived crisis, for the exhaustion of the rightwing wave, for the new confrontation however it shapes up.

Adam Serwer in a post entitled “How Partisanship Works” offers an argument in somewhat the same vein as Yglesias’, but focused more narrowly on what the right calls Obamacare, what the left calls “health care reform,” or, more incisively, the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

The reason why Democrats didn’t produce a more liberal bill is because the coalition of preening centrists needed to move right every five minutes in order to locate themselves in the “middle” between a GOP sprinting to the right and a left willing to take major steps in the same direction. Moderate as policy, there was no way for the ACA to be “centrist” in the sense that the Village [left blogosphere] understands it, because Republicans were never, under any conditions, willing to consider voting for the bill.

But that’s how Republicans win the game, because they’re essentially playing with a different set of rules: Democrats have to cooperate, Republicans don’t. And there’s no political cost for the GOP because they understand that voters care about results more than anything else. It’s just pure political self-interest.

Serwer probably doesn’t care that mirror images of the same argument appear regularly wherever rightwingers gather.  True Conservatives also like to say that “compromise” to leftists means surrendering to their presumptions.  Serwer’s commenters responded like Yglesias’, and I ended up leaving a similar comment to the one I left for Yglesias (I confess I’ve cleaned it up a bit):

What you’re not getting is that the activist conservative base consists of fantasists at least as far to the right as most of you all are to the left, while the political culture that produced all of our current political leadership was formed in the shadow of the Reagan Era. “Socialism” and its variants are swear words, enemy talk. Even “liberal” is widely treated as embarrassing.

The belief that America is a “center right nation” is widespread. That’s the conventional wisdom. It’s hardly even questioned. It pre-defines what’s achievable: Anything that isn’t center right is therefore virtually treasonous. In terms of public discourse, it means that a Rand Paul, Glenn Beck, or Sarah Palin can get away with saying incredibly rightwing things, and recover – because “everybody” hates and distrusts government as much as they do, and also sees no contradiction in squaring this position with hyper-patriotism and support for a massive security state. And that’s what Obama had to deal with – a situation calling for social democratic repairs that would have to be justified in terms of free market, anti-statist dogma. That’s an “American solution to American problems” in the post-Reagan Era.

If Obama saves ACA and a few other elements of his agenda, then maybe you all can help out by putting up a new generation of leaders who either find a new language or who are as little afraid of going left as Palin and the rest are of going right.

As of this writing, no one’s turned up to play in the American Prospect/Serwer sandbox, but a sharp Yglesias commenter did turn up for another round.  He questioned whether having gone further and more firmly left would really have been so high-risk for Obama, and, focusing on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (aka, “the Stimulus”), suggested that “by fighting for something larger — and loudly warning the public that GOP obstruction to government stimulus spending was a danger to the country — he might have helped position Democrats better to fight the 2010 midterms.”

My further reply ought to sound familiarly pessimistic to the unhappy few who gather here, but conducting such arguments can at least lead to the discovery of new, possibly better, at least more concise ways of repeating oneself:

It’s questionable whether the system itself is capable of producing more than a muddle, and whether “American solutions to American problems” really can suffice anymore, at least in the manner to which we’ve become accustomed. So maybe Obama is managing as best as he can the inevitable relative decline, and the left should consider more self-consciously how to deal with that – the exhaustion of the American idea as we’ve come to know it – going forward.

The exhaustion of the Zombie Contentions idea is, for me, corollary – in a sense the same exhaustion.  If someone could show me how to escape this theme – which would equate with demonstrating how we could escape whatever is true in it – without settling for mere escapism, I’d be grateful.   For now, I’m still more oriented to developing my own decline management strategies.

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  1. As you say in your response, Colin, “the activist conservative base consists of fantasists at least as far to the right as most of you are are to the left.” The left is the right, since both sides have been swept up by blind faith. Jesus Marx = Karl Christ. The world is going through a stage of rhinoceritis.
    http://www.jochnowitz.net/Essays/Rhinoceritis.html
    What’s to be done? Facts. There is nothing so beautiful as a fact. The world is real. The world is what’s important.
    The two parties have been fighting for ages about winning the title of Party of Hate. At the moment, the Republicans are way ahead, but these battles can seesaw. Instead of fighting, the two parties can resort to research.

  2. “Oh for the love of Pete” how is it we can figure out what he is doing, to create a structure, a framework, in which the fundamental transformation of the society, is underway, maybe because like Patton, we read his book. I have no patience to the whiners who really
    think much more could be achieved, much like Harold Laski lamenting
    that FDR didn’t go the whole way, like that nice Georgian gentleman

  3. @ miguel cervantes:
    I think you’re saying you agree with of my analysis in one key respect: He got what was gettable. Viewing things totally non-judgmentally in regard to the fundamental aims, Obama’s adversaries on the right, the ones who were panicking about O-care being the end of the world as we know it, would be closer to the truth about his effectiveness than some of his far left critics.

  4. Yes, In my own unique way, I am, the ‘reality based community’ seems to miss this, even to Dalton and Harvard graduates

  5. Liked your comments on Matt’s blog … and sometimes, when he’s not attempting to suggest how to conduct relations with Iran, I enjoy reading his stuff.
    bright kid.

  6. “If someone could show me how to escape this theme – which would equate with demonstrating how we could escape whatever is true in it – without settling for mere escapism, I’d be grateful.”

    You could recognize that what you think is missing is what Curtis White refers to as “The Barbaric Heart.” That’s the title of his new book. You’d like it. The Barbaric Heart is what motivates people who don’t settle for escapism. I have come to love your escapist heart. I prefer it to the Barbaric Heart. The word “hero” is used by people with a barbaric heart. You are my anti-hero. I love anti-heroes.

  7. Except for most journalism, art, educational institutions, try to deny thay this a center right nation, they attack our own institution, celebrate the aberrant, come within a hair’s breath of endorsing the ends if not the means of our foes. That’s why Newsweek insisted we
    are all Socialists now, the Church is dead, we must accomodate radical
    Islam, and the continued confrontation with the antithesis, makes them
    try harder

  8. @ miguel cervantes:
    oh, fudge and rocinante’s tailpipe. the Church is every bit as alive as we and Islam isn’t much different from the Church.
    this certainly is a rightly centered nation, and there are many millions of folks here every bit as brain-dead as the Alaskan Clampetts, and yeah, intelleckuals is suspects ’cause they get to chasing after windmills, but some march on while the jerks go off and Bristol could dance the pants off Churchill.

  9. Ah, Sr. Rana, if they hadn’t chased off Guiliani, somewhat like Churchill,
    and given Bloomberg, a third term, thankfully they stopped running Mark Green, if Luce’s proud publication wasn’t entertaining the new Sultan as it’s Man of the Year, then I’d agree with you. If every single
    institution wasn’t seemingly designed not to work, tell me something that works, anything in your neck of the woods

  10. @ Scott Miller:
    I don’t understand what that means. From what I can gather about White’s book, he seems to think that there’s far too much “barbaric heart” in our culture. He seems to be using a peculiar definition of “barbarian,” too, since usually barbarians are outsiders, yet he seems to define us as barbaric.

    But I’m not referring to something “missing,” or anyway don’t intend to. Maybe something “ebbing,” but in my own mind it’s more like the ground shifting beneath our feet, slowly and inexorably – a way of conceiving of ourselves in the world no longer being adequate to its own purposes, against the categorical impossibility of a way of life truly being transformed from within.

  11. miguel cervantes wrote:

    try to deny thay this a center right nation,

    We aren’t a “center right nation,” at least in the way that many people seem to want to use the notion: As though America has a center right essence and any divergence from a center-right politics is a violation if not an impossibility. On that level, the very idea of a “center right nation” is either ludicrous or redundant. If a nation is a transcendent entity, then it makes as much sense to refer to it as “left” or “right” as it does to refer to a mountain as “left” or “right.” That covers ludicrous. As for redundant, to the extent you’re already conceiving of the nation as an entity that must be protected, then you’ve already taken a “conservative” perspective towards it. To speak of the nation in this sense is already to assume a “center right” ideological perspective. In that sense, every nationalism is “center right.”

    We have gone through a relatively long center right political epoch, but, if any nation could be considered anything other than “center right,” it would be a nation born from an idea, as a gathering place of the nationally dispossessed, establishing above all a mission of human progress, and through an act of revolution.

  12. @ CK MacLeod:
    I know you’re not referring to something missing. That’s my sense of your experience of life. It seems to me like you sense there’s something missing. I could be wrong about what you are experiencing. But what I’m getting at is that there isn’t something missing. If you had a barbaric heart you wouldn’t be an escapist. People would say you were a hero. You’d do supposedly heroic things that would be championed either by conservatives or liberals, depending on whether your supposedly heroic deeds were considered environmentalist or militaristic. I think you recognize that, but still think there’s a problem with escapism. If there is a problem with escapism, it’s not as big a problem as having a barbaric heart.

  13. CK MacLeod wrote:

    a way of conceiving of ourselves in the world no longer being adequate to its own purposes, against the categorical impossibility of a way of life truly being transformed from within.

    Maybe the way that the “conceiving of ourselves” is happening can be shifted. It may seem strange that I would suggest a “without” POV rather than a “within” one, but if you took the camera outside the personality structure and shot things from there, whether things were adequate or not might reduce in meaning while something else transformed the actual living of life.

  14. Scott Miller wrote:

    If there is a problem with escapism, it’s not as big a problem as having a barbaric heart.

    The way I’m understanding what White means by that, I might want to agree. If killing is wrong, it would seem more morally sound to die to the world than to kill – unless dying to the world is murdering the world.

    But I’m still at the stage of Nietzsche’s philosophical biography where he’s under the spell of the world-killers, more or less convinced that the only “escape” from the inherent wrongness of existence is through intimations of transcendance and distracting work.

  15. @ Scott Miller:
    To the extent we try to think of the collective – the nation – we may find ourselves, our sense of ourselves as individuals, in corollary or correlated positions. It becomes difficult to locate oneself anywhere else or in any other way.

    So I think you’re right – it’s already implied in the formulation – that looking “without” would be desirable, but I’m not sure that those “within” can ever get all the way out, and whether in this particular circumstance it would be desirable, even if possible. Keeping the emphasis on the collective-historical, it would be implied in this point of view that the declining nation would tend to lose the ability to dominate and shut out whatever others. The results would by definition be “destructive,” but the character of the actual experience of this destruction could vary widely, and could be influenced by our separate and collective decisions.

  16. According to White, the barbaric heart is either embarrassed by the question What makes life worth living, or assumes the answer is obvious. Winning. Winning is the justification for violence. Am I right in assuming that while you have always engaged self-reflection, your alignment in respect to society until recently, even though you weren’t participating in the Winning yourself, gave at least some credence to the idea of Winning? That would go along with me sense that now is not the problem. The problem is that you are late in completely arriving here, even though you have to some degree always been here, so the sense you have of needing an escape is a hold-over from “desiring what it desires–to protect its people.” For awhile, you backed the wrong horses. They didn’t win. Even if they had won, you would still be here and here is fine. Remember, “Our richness of belief masks a culture that is grotesquely unjust.” Even for someone like you, someone who understood the issues surrounding our richness of belief better than anyone, it’s still hard when the mask (that you already could see through) comes off. It’s off. “America is a great disaster machine.” If you know better than to think that Winning will help, you must take heart as an orator. You are an orator. One of the two types of noble men, according to the Romans, and the other kind isn’t really noble. Just be noble. That’s all.

  17. The Romans may not be an adequate authority.

    As for the first part, it depends on what you mean by “winning.” I gave and continue to give some credence to the idea that some real world outcomes are probably better than others – as do you, and as anyone must who protests, advises, decries, advocates. Life is choosing. Even the choice to deny life or to refuse choice is a choice affirmed in relation to a proposed real – even if a real defined as the negation of the false appearances that others call real.

    So there’s always winning, somewhere.

    I agree about “grotesquely unjust,” but can you point to “a culture” that can’t be construed that way? The usual “exceptions” – idyllic pastoral and tribal cultures, for instance – fail on closer examination, and, anyway, it becomes increasingly difficult to distinguish between perfect justice in a society and perfect imbecility.

    Reading the biography of Nietzsche that I’ve been mentioning, I ran across the following quotation, described as the “oldest known fragment of Western philosophy”:

    Whence things have their coming into being there they must also perish according to necessity: for they must pay a penalty and be judged for their injustice, according to the ordinances of time.

    Anaximander

    You might be able to find karma there. Or maybe existence itself is injustice, or expiation, or judgment – until and unless, with Hegel, you understand desire (the future, the not yet existent) as the beginning, or, with Nietzsche, you call “it” will to power.

  18. Nice oration. Don’t agree about the idyllic pastoral and tribal cultures failing on closer examination since the examining is done by us, the failed of the failed–the grotesquely unjust. I’m just asking you to be more just toward yourself. I was only using the Romans as an authority because I thought you were kind of into their world view. Guess not. Anyway–as long as I get to experience your oratory nobility, there’s no complaint on my end.

  19. Marx tried to describe a perfect society. If it was perfect, everybody would agree. There would be no professionals, we would all raise cattle and discuss literature.
    Humans were meant to disagree. Disagreement is part of the path to finding out what reality is. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and the Kim Dynasty all understood Marx perfectly. That’s why they suppressed disagreement and did what they did.
    The United States, with its endless disagreements, does a good job at making life easy for many of its citizens. Democracy is the political realization of the scientific method.
    And as fuster wrote (#11), America in general and New York in particular have functioning hospitals, libraries, police departments, and transportation systems. New York’s subway system is the best in the world. It runs all day and all night, and has close to a zero accident rate and crime rate.

  20. Scott Miller wrote:

    Don’t agree about the idyllic pastoral and tribal cultures failing on closer examination since the examining is done by us, the failed of the failed–the grotesquely unjust.

    That would go for any determinations of “success” as well. The sword cuts both ways.

  21. by us, the failed of the failed–the grotesquely unjust.

    …unless the presumption of a position outside the circle of supreme evil leads to the most grotesque injustice of them all.

    I decided that those meat-eating Buddhists (?) who claim that their butchers take on all the karma of the butchered get double demerits, for their morally debilitating example of convenient rationalization.

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