Iran is winning, Israel is losing

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1. Iran and Cuba have always hated Israel and have always persecuted homosexuals. Castro has now apologized for his anti-gay policies:
   http://blabbeando.blogspot.com/2010/08/fidel-castro-on-persecution-against.html
   Castro has also begun to question Iran’s ambitions and made some favorable remarks about Israel. He is no longer in power, but maybe he can influence his little brother to recognize Israel.

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2. CUBA? has always hated Israel ?????

   Didn’t Cuba maintain diplomatic relations with Israel until ’73 and only start opposing Israeli policies after the ’67 war?

   I’m a little fuzzy on this and thought that it was Israel that held a grudge against the Cubans since the time that Castro overthrew the Lansky regime.

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3. @ fuster:
   ’73’s when Cuba severed diplomatic relations with Israel. At that time Iran under the Shah still had mostly close ties with Israel (there were some exceptions to the general rule). Interestingly, all three countries have always been at war with Oceania.

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4. @ fuster:
   1967, the year of the National Conference on the New Politics, was the year the far left swung into the ferociously anti-Israel position it has held ever since. In the days between the closing of the Straits of Tiran by Egypt and the start of the Six-Day War, the members of the Columbia Independent Committee on Vietnam, which I belonged to, suddenly began wishing for Israel’s defeat. I had never heard anything like this before, and I still don’t understand how they all became anti-Israel the same day. Then the war happened, and Israel won. The leftists never got over the bitterness of their disappointment.
   Your comment about Lansky is a lie and a slur. In a world desperate to believe ever more bad things about Israel, it is also a danger.

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5. @ CK MacLeod:
   The Shah, like all Iranian rulers going back to Cyrus, understood that Israel and Iran were natural allies. Khomeini changed that. Allies-shmallies, thought Khomeini. Virtue is what matters.

   The most dangerous of all hatreds are those that have no motivation. Hitler is the best example.

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6. George Jochnowitz wrote:

   Your comment about Lansky is a lie and a slur

   Where’s the lie, what’s the slur?

   I do remember the swing toward confusing the Palestinian leadership with progressive, socialist causes around the globe and leftists forgetting the basis of Western determination to oppose regimes that (quite falsely) said they represented socialism. It was in large part due to a dawning in understanding that we were quite willing to oppose things and movements by using methods and people nearly as murderous and heartless.

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7. Well actually, it’s a bit more complicated than that, there’s that little matter of the SS St. Louis, under Laredo Bru, one of Batista’s stand in, and as I recall, under Grau’s term, they voted against the state hood
   resolution, in ’47, but clearly under Fidel, Cuba adopted a Third World
   liberationist character, that began with Algeria, and extended toward
   the Middle East in general;

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8. http://narcisoscorner.blogspot.com/2009/06/tangled-web-of-myers.html

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9. @ miguel cervantes: But your family is Cuban, so you must hate Israel, right?

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10. No, mcFrog, I was referring to the regime’s at various points, which
    were regretable instances. I wrote that post in the aftermath of the
    Myers spy ring being discovered

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11. @ miguel cervantes:
    So when George says that Cuba has always hated Israel, is he grabbing the elephant’s tail and calling it a snake?

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12. One assumes he means in the revolutionary context, recall that the Shah did support Musa Sadr’s Amal militia, who was not on Israel’s Hanukkah card registry, but that is different from Hezbollah. I don’t know what happened to Dr. Cole, I read a collection of his essays,
    I’ll find the Amazon link.

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13. @ miguel cervantes:
    When i assume that I know what george means I’m sometimes surprised.
    When people discuss how countries hate Israel, they often mean the greatest part of the population of the place.

    I have trouble with thinking that the Cuban people hate Israel. The Cubans I’ve known aren’t really great haters. They’ve been excellent at becoming furious over a personal or family insult and great at holding a grudge, but having a dark heart toward large groups of people they’ve never met ?
    Nah.

    If George meant revolutionary socialist Cubans opposing and willing to fight against Israel for the cause of Palestinian empowerment, that’s a different bucket of guts entire.

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14. That’s what he meant, consider that one of the strongest allies of Israel, today in Congress is Ileana Ros Lehtinen, who took over Claude
    Pepper’s seat, almost a quarter century ago, This is the collection I was referring to;
    http://books.google.com/books?id=ntarP5hrza0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=cole,+juan&hl=en&ei=49sCTeOKL4aglAe455DtCQsa=X&oi=book_
    result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=falseago ;

    I thought the reference to Lansky, who used to live in one of my
    old neighborhoods was due to one of the later Levine novels, which
    have him as a character

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15. you mean Bergman’s Tender is LeVine?

    You might also try Kerr’s If the Dead Rise Not

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16. I’m almost finished with the first, and I read that last one by Kerr,

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17. I hope you get a kick out of it. I enjoyed it.

    It made me a tiny bit sad to contemplate how few novels the guy has published. That damn Hollywood, I tell you. It just despoils people.

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