Israeli realism/realism about Israel

  1. @laseptiemewilay the discussion reveals that principal parties have only vague, often contradictory definitions of “state” @djpressman in reply to laseptiemewilay 20:45:29, 2014-07-16
  2. @laseptiemewilay combined with weak understandings of “sovereignty” and its relationship to “state” @djpressman in reply to laseptiemewilay 20:46:20, 2014-07-16
  3. @laseptiemewilay I think Israeli resistance to so-called two-state solution is much more fundamental @djpressman in reply to laseptiemewilay 20:52:33, 2014-07-16
  4. @laseptiemewilay may have been easier to suppress recognition of “facts on the ground” in various ways, at different times @djpressman in reply to laseptiemewilay 20:56:34, 2014-07-16
  5. @laseptiemewilay but both sides have continually re-discovered their respective state concepts to be mutually exclusive @djpressman in reply to laseptiemewilay 20:57:17, 2014-07-16

  6. @laseptiemewilay did you ever read that interview with Benny Morris when he asked to be excused for not dissolving into tears? @djpressman in reply to laseptiemewilay 21:02:48, 2014-07-16
  7. @laseptiemewilay (he was being sarcastic) @djpressman in reply to laseptiemewilay 21:03:23, 2014-07-16
  8. @laseptiemewilay “If you expected me to burst into tears, I’m sorry to disappoint you. I will not do that.” in reply to laseptiemewilay 23:45:33, 2014-07-16
  9. @laseptiemewilay I often think of it in next to Arnon Soffer’s notorious statements from around the same time about Gaza and the future in reply to laseptiemewilay 23:51:56, 2014-07-16
  10. @laseptiemewilay See Soffer here, tho he later amended some of his views on degree of Israeli withdrawal 00:11:22, 2014-07-17
  11. @laseptiemewilay I’ve not yet seen good evidence that Israeli realism doesn’t mean a Soffer-Morris line (see also ONE STATE, TWO STATES) 00:14:29, 2014-07-17

Soffer’s notorious statement about the Gaza withdrawal, which he strongly favored – that it meant Israel would be required to “kill and kill and kill” at the Gaza border possibly for another century – seems also somewhat prophetic, at least on the evidence so far, up to the latest news. See also Andrew Sullivan’s recent posts on “Understanding the Permanence of Greater Israel” – especially the one today describing Greater Israel as likely eventual American position (or open position) too: “; Sullivan extensively quotes Daniel Goldman/”Spengler” – from an essay in which Goldman extends common comparison of situation in MENA to the 30 Years War – to same general effect (in Tablet!).

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