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On “Nested Comments Unbound 1.0 Now Available from the WordPress Repo

that's why I replied out of place - seemed like it might duplicate more chaotic dynamics of large sites.

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(For instance - stress level jumped when it seemed that your comment wasn't indenting right, but the fact that I was replying to myself replying to myself replying, etc., an unusual thing for a comment thread, and that you were replying to an earlier reply, not my most recent reply-to-reply-to-reply-etc. led me to the wrong expectation about where your comment should align... actually everything is OK-ish.)

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Thanks - tho still have to see about a couple o' things, especially as applied to unique environments like this one...

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Yep. I can relax now maybe kind of.

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This one at 4, and, if the next comment doesn't turn toward the left, I may weep... or anyway check my settings.

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This one should be at 3.

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So this comment, replying to the first one, should be at Depth 2.

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We're starting to nest at level 4 on this rather genteel blog.

On “WordPress Comment Nesting Unbound

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On “All the News that’s Fit to Kill (OAG #8)

“You obviously love great journalism!” reminds me of the guy who's told to answer the phone "And how may I give you excellent service today?"

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...ironically ironically ironical that an enemy of irony would express himself so ironically, apparently, ironically, as per habit (if not compulsion), about a latest possibly ironically self-defeating ironically and ironically ironically counter-ironical action of his enemies ironically his allies.

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You are especially right about "You obviously love great journalism!" having been the real WaPo slogan as far as a lot of us are or were concerned...

...I'll just add that I agree with most of the rest of what you say, and appreciate its vividness!, but still think that the motto is a little worse than you allow.

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You could be right.

OTOH, your remark presupposes a sense of agency that my sense is, Land rejects, that the "machinc" agency he understands to be the case would be located in the larger assemblage that intends to advance his program.

Following this interpretation, what you take t be irony would be just part of the machinic feedback loop seeking to maximize chaotic efficiency.

I do have to admit, all of this did have a glancing influence on my Cyborg posts. And seeking to eliminate irony has an ironic appeal for me. But I think Land sees this as epiphenomenon.

Your remarks seek a fully synthetic perspective. Land seems to me to locate his remark not just a step broader in perspective, but from the perspective that there is no perspective.

OTOH you may be right.

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I assumed the slogan meant that the WaPo would be pulling out of the darkness any creepy thing that might try to drag democracy down a slimy cave. Ergo, democracy would be clinging to the sticky tentacles of that thing and WaPo would then vanquish the thing and gingerly pick democracy off in order to let it dry and thrive in the sunlight that already exists in the world. I didn't assume that WaPo was bringing the light itself. Although I do feel the slogan is a bit dramatic, even for our times, I say: let them have their fun, no harm done. As I posted on my Twitter feed, and will plagiarize myself here--I thought their slogan was "You obviously love great journalism!" I'm sure I couldn't be the only person who typed that but it made me giggle. Again. Anyhoo, kudos to WaPo for getting everyone thinking about democracy as something worth saving/something on its way out but worth acknowledging. Dissecting that tagline is no doubt stimulating interesting social studies lectures across the world in a time so few news stories are appropriate for younger viewers.

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The de-evolution will be televised.

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Nick Land sounds like a cable channel that shows 60s sitcoms.

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His take would be ironical and unsympathetic since he's saying "yeah, it's a magnificent thing, isn't it?" - the opposite of the reaction that WaPo obviously wants and expects, but has invited. You're supposed to want more light and not to want democracy to die, and so support the WaPo for those reasons, not because you may think that it is advancing the dark and lethal cause unwittingly, or because you think that the WaPo is hopelessly helpless to do more than observe and record the ongoing demise.

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A while ago OT had an extended discussion about the Alt Right that went into some detail about its ideas and origins. At the time I wondered about the absence of discussion about Land, who has I believed been called the "Dark Prince" of the whole thing. I find his writing some combination of impenetrable and puerile, but a lot of people take him seriously, and because of that I suppose we should too. For example here's a primer by Ray Brassier.

My interpretation of "Magnificent Prophecy" as Landian assessment, was that the categories of irony and sympathy don't apply one way or the other. Instead, it represents a kind of "I wish I said that in the course of my own writing." Any comment on WaPo or journalism in general would be, in this interpretation,incidental, mere contingent vehicle for a truly "magnificent prophecy". But I could be wrong.

On “On Emulating the TP vs Trump’s GOP

...or was the Republican success in 2010 of the sort that simply never happens without some fog and friction along the way? An upsurge in enthusiasm on one side - or discovery of the resources in a desperate situation - or cornered rats fighting fiercely, etc., etc. - is bound to take multiple forms. Some people will go too far or some unwanted Witches will be swept up in the tornado, and maybe get crushed beneath the house when it finally lands. Just how it goes.

So you don't really completely disagree with Elizabeth, seems to me.

On “All the News that’s Fit to Kill (OAG #8)

Don't know nothing about no Nick Land, but I see that his site has a tab devoted to NeoReaction, so I'll presume that his orientation is anti-democratic or possibly even "dark enlightenment." His statement would seems to belong in the unsympathetic-ironical group.

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For what it's worth, Nick Land calls the slogan a "magnificent prophecy", ie aspirational,in an approving tone, similar in that way to ATNTFTP.

On “On Emulating the TP vs Trump’s GOP

Was the Republican success in 2010 because of the Tea Party, or was it *despite* the Tea Party. That's still something of an open question in my mind.

There were at least two US Senate races (Delaware and Nevada) where nominating Tea party candidates shifted a probable GOP hold/pick up (respectively) to a Dem win.

In 2014, the Tea Party ardor had cooled substantially, the candidates were much more 'generic Republican' and the GOP picked up the Senate, and poached some governor's mansions in blue states.

The above is why I disagreed with Elizabeth. The dynamics of how the 'radicals' and the 'moderates' interact to effect social change is interesting and complicated and can't be answered in a tweet. (and I don't have a fully formed answer, other than to say you need the 'moderates' on board to make social or political change stick)

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