The President's summary of his policy on the Islamic State or on "the group known as ISIL" was not elegantly enunciated: "To degrade and ultimately destroy" is a compound infinitive phrase that is pitched to the demotic or colloquial in ways that contribute to misinterpretation and distortion.
The infinitive "to degrade," a somewhat esoteric military term of art roughly inserted into public discourse some years ago, is meant to refer us immediately to an enemy's capabilities, which are to be brought to a lower level, but the second and more common connotation of "degrade" is quietly also conveyed, perhaps somewhat intentionally if not entirely consciously: to humiliate, to render an object of spite. ((To complete the linguistic circuit from the high to the low, we can observe that in the language of the street, or perhaps the language of the President's "anger translator," to degrade IS is to fuck IS up, to chingar IS, or perhaps to smash IS, like a bug.)) Regarding the phrase in its entirety, the absence of pauses (which could be indicated by commas) and the omission of the second particle "to" run the two parts of the President's program together, and encourage his critics to indulge their impatience or polemical convenience, to drop the qualifying adverb "ultimately" altogether or to treat it as an intensifier, and, as events unfold, to expound on each day's, week's, or month's necessarily mixed results as somehow contradicting a solemn promise or revealing a strategy already "in ruins" or "in full-scale... meltdown," or suffering from a fatal mismatch of minimal means and maximal ends, or, also premature if less dramatic, simply "not working."
"To degrade and, ultimately, to destroy" might have been more difficult to misinterpret, since a more careful phrasing would clearly designate and distinguish two phases of a long-term strategy. As offered and initially implemented, if not as articulated or heard or unconscientiously translated, the strategy seems to mean "at first primarily to contain, but actively to contain in such a way, specifically by reduction of capacities and potentials, as to expose the targeted entity to destruction." Indeed, the two-part program does not exclude - or perhaps can be taken to imply - a policy shaped to the nature of a presumed ultimately self-destructive phenomenon.
On “Too late for healing”
@ CK MacLeod:
Geoffrey Britain. The guy who thinks, and repeats often, that Neville Chamberlain was a leftist.
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@ CK MacLeod:Of course it's justified!
They put up a post from Gareth Porter and I said that he was a genocide denier, liar and flak for the Khmer Rouge.
What else could they do with an unreasonable animal such as myself.
I linked to his book about Cambodia
and mentioned his notorious denial of the Hue Massacre as well!
Since there is no way to deny that he said the stuff (which he repeated in front of the US Congress more than year after publication of the book),
and no way to defend his lies,
what else could they do but administer a severe rebuke to me?
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@ CK MacLeod:
you won't today see any comments from me there that are not in my own threads. they're now being deleted by Monsieur Rick the administrator.
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@ CK MacLeod:am presently up to my neck in the other set of insane bigots thinking that they're some sort of morally upright beings worthy of being called progressives. 24 or 48 hours ought to be sufficient for them to give up the pretense of allowing discussion.
one of the main socksuppers.
http://firedoglake.com/2010/08/03/idf-tree-removal-kills-three-in-lebanon/
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@ narciso:
I'll have you know that I may reluctantly attempt a civil conversation, but I miss having more people around spewing disgusting and not really sane nonsense.
It was good to see a brief reappearance from Howard.
On ““Accessory to 9/11” – the Other(‘s) 9/11 Truth”
narciso wrote:
you live near Miami? wanna talk about plots being schemed? any plots schemed within 125,000 sq miles of you? have you stopped them all or are you unfit to be called American?
On “Too late for healing”
narciso wrote:
dammit, that's just horsehockey flambe and it don't just half-stink.
how the hell do you empower somebody to turn out suicide bombers, narc?
don't you have to act to help in some way, or to say it's a good idea ?
any evidence about Rauf?
what has Rauf done to help suicide bombers that you haven't?
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@ narciso:
don't be imputing much honor or morality to Guiliani. it's a waste of energy.
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@ CK MacLeod:
Rudy Guiliani's was just fine in not accepting that money and accepting the money would not have been.
There's no reason to link that with building Corboda House and Zoltan shouldn't be attempting to equate the two things.
On ““Accessory to 9/11” – the Other(‘s) 9/11 Truth”
@ narciso:
narc, far from imposing democracy, we're paying the tab that keeps the present Egyptian government going.
Should we continue or should we use our purse and pull the strings toward another movement?
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@ narciso:
not sure that I understand your reply, narc. would you suggest that the US is best served by continuation of support for the repressive regime in Egypt or would you consider that we might devote our considerable investment there in some other that might lead to something better for us 20-30 years down the road?
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@ narciso:
why does it have to be an improvement? why can't Egypt have whatever type of sweathog government that it elects?
what the hell does the US gain by supporting Mubarak or by helping him install his chosen successor?
In the history of this world, narc, what does your reading inform you to be the benefit of repression?
If you were guiding the US, what would you suggest we do to in Egypt to maximize our interests and shape Egyptian society ?
On “The Horror, The Horror”
@ narciso:
"regardless" is the explanation?
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From the Columbia Journalism Review.....
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narciso wrote:
you know, narc, that seems to be about entirely untrue, IIRC.
my first comments on the internet were sent to Spencer Ackerman and were in rebuttal to his claim that the greatest threat to Iraqi re-integration was posed by Mookie al-Sadr.
could you explain a bit?
On ““Cordoba”: A comment for Karl at HotAir”
CK MacLeod wrote:
as told by Marvin the droid.
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Rather than a continued screwing with the rule and saying some laudatory thing, tempting as that is, about this post.....
I'll go with
is a really, really tiny bit of business and might have well been foregone.
( It serves to help set up, but you've style enough )
On “All in favor of thought control…”
@ CK MacLeod:
say it soft and it's almost like praying.
you butt sore, you butt sore, you butt sore
I'll never stop saying..... you butt sore.
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@ Howard Portnoy:
Fuster, not a clue what you meant in #24.
Yes, Howard, yes.
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@ CK MacLeod:
his stuff is trivial, judging from the stuff in the Cincy slideshow, but the narc argument that he should know better than to attempt to inflict artworks contrary to the colorful Cincyzenry's sensibilities is zilly
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narciso wrote:
I agree sincerely and without reservation with that.
It it the duty of an artist to exhibit work that will not challenge the opinions of the probable audience and will offer offense to none?
Or does artistic duty lead in the opposite direction?
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narciso wrote:
didn't expect that from the Cuban Inquisitor.
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@ Howard Portnoy:
and of course you're far from likely to learn to see how much you miss.
On “All the little Tea Party Americans in the world”
narciso wrote:
take care that your reading does not include cheese graters.
On “All in favor of thought control…”
having weakened, and herniated your hiatus, how the heck are ya hanging, Howard?
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It's all of a piece.