My point then was that you’d do better if you quit assuming they’re all stupid.

Esthier on June 4, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Yeahhhh ...

However you choose to respond, I’m guessing it will be just about as relevant to the argument and content of my post as the rest of the comments have been.

CK MacLeod on June 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM

... that's not going to happen.

In that light, it is unsurprising that I (and others) have no desire to continue this debate, at least not with him.

While I would be interested in continuing the debate, it really doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. I've made my points the best I can make them. Retyping them in slightly different diction again and again isn't going to magically make anyone change their mind.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way on this subject.

Heralder would point out that someone might consider it insulting to paint the mosque purple and I would agree that someone might be insulted.

I also would think that’s their funkin problem and not any thing besmirching the painters.

audiculous on June 2, 2010 at 4:34 PM

I know you're joking about the joke, but all the same, my previous analogy on color is more suitable:

If a business wanted to build a large neon yellow building in a community and that community did not want it to be built there, it doesn’t have to be because they hate neon yellow.

Haikus are easy
But sometimes they don’t make sense.

Esthier on June 2, 2010 at 4:01 PM

HAHA! That just made my day.

audiculous on June 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM

Bah, I jumped the gun. Oh well, my substitute explanation is no longer required.

Were you planning on responding to me? If you have an explanation for why I’m wrong about your comment, I’m open to hearing it.

Esthier on June 2, 2010 at 3:35 PM

Well, he dropped the ball again, so let me respond to you instead.

The explanation for why his comment was not an outright accusation of bigotry is: Purple

audiculous on June 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM

Your tone, writing style, care, and punctuation seems to fluctuate pretty wildly from post to post. Are you writing from a phone sometimes or are you more than one person?

you’ve the same right to object to followers of Islam building a mosque near the WTC that other people might have to building a church near Mecca or a synagogue in Salt Lake City.

audiculous on June 2, 2010 at 1:24 PM

We have the same right, yes, but what are we talking about here?

object all you care to and can, but kindly excuse those who say that you’re wrong and shortsighted and would sell us all short if you had your way and the mosque was blocked for no other reason than you dislike the religion or want to blame people who’ve done nothing wrong.

I don't mind at all debating with people who have different points of view, but seriously, don't bother replying if you're just ignoring what I've said.

CK MacLeod,

Rejection of the project would constitute such a victory because consistently, perhaps inescapably, calls to reject Cordoba House have sooner or later rested on the assignment of responsibility to Muslims, in general, for the 9/11 attacks. This pattern should be a cause of concern for conservatives whether the project goes forward or not.

I'm not blaming all muslims or their faith for 9/11, and neither is this muslim who agrees with me.

If I was blaming all muslims, CK, I would be calling for no more mosques anywhere. Here, as is my right as an American, I am disagreeing with individuals who want to build something at a location that I and many others find objectionable. And contrary to what you seem to think, I do have a right to object without angrily tearing up the Bill of Rights.

If a business wanted to build a large neon yellow building in a community and that community did not want it to be built there, it doesn't have to be because they hate neon yellow. Those outside of the community can also have a valid and respected opinion on the neon yellow building as well, even if it wouldn't necessarily be taken into account when seeking permission to build it.

Finally, re-assigning collective guilt in the other direction by calling conservatives bigots or Islamophobes cannot be justified either.

I appreciate your allowing me to disagree without calling me a bigot, which is a step up from our previous discussion on the subject.

I'd say more to start, but we covered quite a bit of ground in Madison Conservative's thread but never really got anywhere.