@ Scott Miller:
I was equating “attitude” with consciousness. My “attitude didn’t help” was your specific point. You were right. By extending that into a broader concept I lost you. Sorry. But as it always is with everyone, your attitude was involved. In this case, it didn’t help you roll with what I was getting at, even though your “I can imagine contexts in which I would agree with it, and others in which I would disagree” statement is evidence that you did at least understand me. In the future, how about we try to roll with each other’s points a bit more? I think it would lead to better dialogue.
As a practical matter, I don't know what any of this means. I can imagine contexts in which I would agee with it, and others in which I would disagree. I'm unclear which of these imaginary contexts is relevant.
Bob rightfully recognizes that every point of debate carries with it the consciousness of the thinker.
That particular thought isn't mine. I'm not really sure what you mean by it. I can imagine contexts in which I would agree with it, and others in which I would disagree.
As for "listening to the right people"... If we can agree who the right people are, then for the most part, we will agree on the substantive issues.
Mindfullness is a great thing, but it's just a tool. I once heard a Geshe hilariously describe someone mindfully killing another.
Peacefullness is also a great thing, but it too is just a tool.
Boredom resides completely in the one who is bored.
Now, let me be clear. I meditate. I think everybody would be happier if they did too. But I know that not everyone shares that view.
But as with everything, there are rules to follow. If you don't follow the rules it doesn't matter how long you spend doing something.
@ CK MacLeod:
Whatever ideas SM and I might agree on, I don't recognize in his comments so far, ways of relating to the world with which I agree.
With a lot of the discussions here that doesn't matter. Here it does.
I gotta say your attitude of superiority and sarcasm doesn't help to get your points across.