We get together on Xmas Eve every year and talk always turns to secular apocalyptics. I think it's our way of minding the old time religion without admitting as much.

@ fuster:
guy had also sortsa watersports goin on tho, not just Izzys and Soddis. Had too Yemany Yemenis and unwell wells, irate Iraqis and Turks on a tear...

others say it's the Chinese who have the real problem looming...

others say it's very large numbers in other lands... maybe I'll see if I can get my cousins who are into that scenario to re-brief me at the MacLeod Xmas gathering.