So you're a white supremacist, Wade? "black brains" as an insult?

...ok, forget I ever though it was worth discussing anything with you, since you think I'm subhuman.

Wade:

Of course, there’s a more traditional ideal of liberty which one finds in, say, Hegel or the New Testament. According to that ideal, liberty is the freedom to be a truly moral human being—one who is enslaved neither to an institution nor to sin and pleasure (e.g.–and pertinently–sexual promiscuity).

That assumes that one is "enslaved" by merely making decisions that some grand arbiter of morality disapproves of. "Freedom" only to do as you're told is a contradiction.

 

What is unclear about what I said? That woman is a human being with free will, the guy by ignoring her No treated her like a hole in the wall. If anything should be shamed, it's that.

Wade:

Sodomy used to denote an unpardonable offense, a “crime” that dared not speak its name. Today, however, respected pundits like Andrew Sullivan openly write about the pleasure they derive from “sodomizing” other men and being “sodomized” by them in turn. Distinguished figures like President Obama urge the citizenry to celebrate “sodomy”.

I can't recall Obama urging a celebration of sodomy. I can recall him however saying that he no longer sees a problem with same sex marriage -- which is a good thing since no one has any business infringing on the relations of consenting adults regardless of what they think.

The days when people were routinely jailed or even murdered for simply exercising their sexual preference were terrible, and deserved to die out. The shift you lament is towards individual liberty, may we never turn around on this path.

A conveniently defined virtue of theirs that completely disregards possible disagreement. Oh, and seems to always fall on the woman.

What about the moral character of the type of person who treats the bodies of others as if they're means to an end, unattached to a free willed human being who makes the decisions for its use? Where's the shame on them?

That wasn't supposed to be a reply to your comment, I don't know why it showed up that way. Didn't see your message until now.

If I'm reading your interpretation of George Will & those who agree with him on this correctly, their view is effectively that The Real Blame falls on modern civilization failing to interpret the human body itself as a curse or object of shame as their chosen religious & cultural traditionalism would prefer.

Not exactly a surprise, and I'd say you're spot on in interpreting them. However, the reason that it's considered "unspeakable" is that it's a humongous insult to the very concept of individual agency & self determination, not to mention widely missing the point. To say in the context of a rape allegation that people should not like sex so much is a non-sequitur.