Actually doesn't it seem the reverse is true, doesn't Rogers, Van Jones,
the other Jones, Holdren, et al, indicate a great deal about how policy is being conducted, focusing on minor points, really is beside the point
Yeah the Paulbot thing, creeps me out, I don't quite get that, and Glenn's 'both parties are the same' schtick, is inconsistent, when he
talks up Santorum and Romney, But what he has been able to present
of Breitbart and Seton Motley, and other such figures, is the important
thing
It's about propriety, dear Kate, the left was willing to entertain that
Bush either MIHOP or LIHOP, the two schools of 9/11 denialism. We were quite lucky that the only that really came close to fruition, was that of a young Arabian lad who was the valedictorian of his own homegrown madrassa in Virginia.
Or the movie which predicted a Bush assasination, or the book by Nicholson Baker, or the suggestion by Charlie Brooker of the Guardian
along those same lines after the 2004 election, one could go on and one Kate. I regard Obama despite his truly horrible associations, as an inept ingenue, a sorcerer's apprentice playing Alinsky, which logical results.
SArah is scrupulously honest, there is no side to her, she believes in the country, and what it can accomplish. It stems from her faith and family. She has run into trouble, not because of the silly caricature that they did of her during the campaign, but precisely
because they know se would storm the ramparts if need be
Yes, I'm sure that professor was equally upset at that village voice cover, with accompanying article by Mssr. Perlstein, of Bush as vampire
draining the Statue of Liberty. Our host is way too congenial to the asuang likes of you, yet admonishes some of us, for style points.
Lind was a Young Fogey, who became persnickety at some of Pat Robertson's more il advised commentary, and before long was taking
up Gore Vidal's whole shpiel. Some of his recent observations on politics
are unintentionally funny, from the snippets I've gleaned here and there
I would throw in economists like Galbraith, into the mix, under the general rubric of inequality, creating the conditions instead of the usual turns of the business cycle, It took true handiwork to turn it into the Great Depression, like with Smoot Hawley, the subsequent fall of Creditanstalt, etc
No they are not the same Rocketman, even though are related, Critical theory stems from the Frankfurt school of Adorno, which gave us Herbert Marcuse, one of the leading inspiration for groups like the SDS. Conflict theory is more generalized. If that was Obama's mother's
focus as part of her anthropological focus, it explains a fair amount
about the formation of his thought processes
THe same historians that blame Harding and Coolidge's tax cuts for the depression, whereas the McCumber and Smoot/Hawley tariffare more at fault, who state that the New Deal got us out, who paint Nixon as evil, Reagan as clueless, despite he presided over an economic boom and the fall of the Soviet Union .and W as the combination of the two. Yes let us rely on them, to tell us the truth.
Now your quibbling, TR was not a Progressive, but he certainly implemented progressive policies. He was not a Socialist neither
was Bismark, but they each had a disdain for unrestrained liberal capitalism, as did Schmoller, Wagner, et al. Hayek's argument
against Keynes was based in parton his experience in the 20s,
where some degree of planning had permeated the culture
One might say that Nixon although he cited Disraeli was more of
a Bismarkian sort, and in the end, there can be. . . it didn;t work
out.
Ck, have you missed the last year, this administration through the stimulus, cap n trade, the financial deformation bill, is to pass through
statute and court action, what would ordinarily require an amendment
They (Time, Newsweek, Vanity Fair, GQ, Esquire, have become almost
a rightwing parody of a left broadsheet would be. The most recent issue which has Governor Perry on the cover, is remarkably clueless
in understanding the right's motivations, except in Hofstadlerian terms.
When I first read Charles McCarry's Better Angels back in the late 80s, the portrait of a left wing intelligentsia, being so virulently against the right, including a David Gregoryish anchor, called Patrick Graham, it seemed satirical. When McCarry updated it in 1995, it seemed less so, now in 2010, it doesn't even really catch up to reality
I didn't 'read the whole thing' as Glenn Reynolds would say, on Cooper, I glanced at several parts, including that instant. Btw, I noticed that Newsweek, that publication put together by the Harriman and co, is being very savagely dismissive of "Democracy in America" although not as much as the interview with Peter Carey, who sympathizes with the Times reviewer, that what De Tocqueville feared was democracy, or actually Sarah Palin
The quibble is regarding Van Jones own statements to the East Bay Express, regarding events after the LA riots, he may have exaggerated for street cred, coming from Yale Law. AS for Wilson, his actions are rather clear, I used to think he was the big pacifist, reluctant to intervene, that is the legend, Milton Cooper indicates his imperialistattitudes are almost parallel with his time at Princeton, as with TR, the "Paul Wolfowitz" of the McKinley administration. REgardless this crazy cast of character, the Chavez approving FEC 'political officer' the protege of Ehrlich as Science Advisor, other characters like Susstein, and assorted exemplars of the liberal menagerie. Kansas, Nebraska, a possibly infelicitous example
Why is it we continue to have 'epistemic closure' about how we got here, as we know now, Kanye West's whine about Katrina, wasn't accidental, it was carried forward by Van Jones's crew, the same who like Ahab, are still going after Beck's sponsors, and in various ways every spokesman of the right. Delay was targeted with an spurious indictment, which succeeded in knocking him out of leadership. Libby was similarly knocked out of his office, because they needed a scalp and 'good friend' Richard Armitage was willing to provide it. AS you see from the Rec Brow, the facts about how this disaster in the Gulf came to be, are not as black and white as the media will suggest, but rest assured the media will do everything to play this game of 'hangman' against one of our likely
path to economic development. The frauds behind the promotion of AGW are vast and rather clear.
How is that practicable, Russia started as a strictly ethnic enclave, the Kievan Rus and the Duchy of Muscovy and consumed the former Tatar states, the Caucasus, et al. With much larger diversity, the US
is much different in makeup. There is something to Beck's focus on
Samuel Adam's understanding of religion and other institutions
Some things seem axiomatic, that they didn't have to be spelled out, although Franklin seemed to be channeling the words of both Alexander
Tyler and even earlier Cicero, when he said 'a republic if we can keep it" They didn't think there would be such widespread contempt of the
founding traditions of the nation, or maybe they did. How long was Athens democratic opening, before it fell to Alicibiades and Cleon, not to mention the Council of 30
You're reading much too much into what Sarah wrote, and in a particularly negative way, kind of the way I was about Avatar,
for 400 million dollars (Dr. Evil pinky raised), it's not half bad, even considering all the embedded assumptions. She never said Beck was normal, you don't end up on that list if you are normal, you more likely than not are gifted in someway. I frankly would have thought that the Nuge's writeup on her, would concern you more.
When given a choice between listening to Frum, Brooks, Moran, Buckley, and Goldberg, Hanson, Steyn, Nordlinger and others, well you know where I and not a few of the Zombie Horde stand
No, Rex, we cannot let that happen, particularly in the dishonest circuitous way that it's being proposed, because this country is the
last best hope, who else would be left standing. Among other things
because it doesn't work,
Right, Joe NS, and Sam Adam's words makes Jefferson seem like Lindsay Graham, from some of what I gleaned at night from Glenn.
I used to take the left spokesman like Stewart, Colbert, and Moore
less seriously, because honestly they were either ignorant or craven,
no one would fall for their garbage, well what's the line that says fool me once. I admit, I find Beck a little too jeremiad at times, but then
again, sometimes you have to cry 'Fire' so people don't get burned
You test everybody's patience, Kate, including Jeff and Darleen who still let you post there, as I see you have a hatred for those who
flee from any despotism, like those Vietnamese in Orange County
and Houston, I'm sure you feel the same about my paisans in little
Havana, and kindred spirits from Maracaibo in Doral, who don't get
this 'wonderful Democratic revolution' thingy. We're all bitter clingers
that way.
Now CK, by they, since I cut my teeth on the American Spectator, that's why I found Hilyer's offering particularly offensive, you would
know that those who are recipients of the "Strange New Respect Award" is who I meant. Charmin Charlie is already way in the lead
Apparently CK, we are not supposed to describe what they are trying to do, I like her idiom of speaking better, no surprise, because she is
the more optimist of the two. despite everything that has happened in two years, is it somewhat progressive, small p, I suppose, but it is more constitutional than what is currently being offered.
For the life of me, I don't understand the strange one, not really, she must be a parody of the post modernist genre, Ot, Avatar kind of grows on you, when you only have to pay a buck to see it.
If they are receiving that kind of respect, McCain Graham, Chafee,
as they saying goes, you're doing it wrong. An example is the "Publication that Luce Built" now the sanctuary of the likes of Klein,
Halperin, et al, who make the renaissance courtier's seem like bitter
skeptics
AS opposed to the miniscule audiences of MSNBC, CNN and Headline News, each one chasing a test pattern, then again it could be burn
out after such a momentous fiasco as this health care leviathan
Ditto, Zoltan, I mean where else are you going to get a look at the likes of Samuel Adams, the distinction between who we have pretended
to exalt, like Shephard Fairey's Obama posters, and the legacy of our
founders, like Adams, like Washington, Jefferson, Beck is really in the tradition of Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin, a pamphleteer and a polemicist, as opposed to whom exactly. He's largely self educated, like another subject of contempt of the establishment. the voice of
Cape Girardeau, Missouri
My point, Ck is why jump to the conclusion that she's insincere. The other conclusion actually fits her record, as I think I've pointed out.
This isn't particularly new either, she called attention to the Breitbart
investigation of Lloyd and Jones, even before she signed with Fox.
I am a Hispanic Catholic, nishi, but I guess you can peg me like a bitter clinger, for that. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
As with most of Jeff Goldstein's threads you entirely miss the point.
No, I think she is quite sincere, remember she was the official on the oil commission who suspected that her boss was corrupt so she asked
the attorney general for permission, and resigned when she couldn't share the results of her investigation. The city council person who challenged the mentor that brought her on the council, Carney.
Yes, because we're talking about policy, like taking over industries, shutting down others, dictating how much can make, how much you can contribute to charity and to which charities are eligible. After all we can't keep "our air conditioners at 72 in the summer, or have the
biggest car or the biggest house" or words to that effect
So why use Gulag, talk about inflammatory language, unless the British
the French also do so. Supermax, who accidently gets sent there, with
Yousef and the Unabomber.
Beck flies a little off the tangent, I'll admit, but he has been more right than wrong about this adminstration. It's a little like James Angleton's 'Wilderness of Mirrors" dealing with insane, counterproductive policies
which are mightily are under be reframed as logical. WE can frame it
as inexperience and/or stupidity, but there is always a potential payoff
will all of these projects
AS opposed to who, CK the impartial arbiters of Sawyer, Williams, and Couric, or the ratings powerhouses at MSNBC and CNN, sarc, The ones who heard Biden, say he recalled FDR addressing the nation on TV in 1929, and said, how insightful that was. Who paint tea partiers as
terrorists, but terrorists, specially the left wing variety as misunderstood idealists
Patronage is a goal, I'll admit but of their pet projects, which have little economic benefit, to the larger community
Actually doesn't it seem the reverse is true, doesn't Rogers, Van Jones,
the other Jones, Holdren, et al, indicate a great deal about how policy is being conducted, focusing on minor points, really is beside the point
Yeah the Paulbot thing, creeps me out, I don't quite get that, and Glenn's 'both parties are the same' schtick, is inconsistent, when he
talks up Santorum and Romney, But what he has been able to present
of Breitbart and Seton Motley, and other such figures, is the important
thing
It's about propriety, dear Kate, the left was willing to entertain that
Bush either MIHOP or LIHOP, the two schools of 9/11 denialism. We were quite lucky that the only that really came close to fruition, was that of a young Arabian lad who was the valedictorian of his own homegrown madrassa in Virginia.
Or the movie which predicted a Bush assasination, or the book by Nicholson Baker, or the suggestion by Charlie Brooker of the Guardian
along those same lines after the 2004 election, one could go on and one Kate. I regard Obama despite his truly horrible associations, as an inept ingenue, a sorcerer's apprentice playing Alinsky, which logical results.
SArah is scrupulously honest, there is no side to her, she believes in the country, and what it can accomplish. It stems from her faith and family. She has run into trouble, not because of the silly caricature that they did of her during the campaign, but precisely
because they know se would storm the ramparts if need be
Yes, I'm sure that professor was equally upset at that village voice cover, with accompanying article by Mssr. Perlstein, of Bush as vampire
draining the Statue of Liberty. Our host is way too congenial to the asuang likes of you, yet admonishes some of us, for style points.
Lind was a Young Fogey, who became persnickety at some of Pat Robertson's more il advised commentary, and before long was taking
up Gore Vidal's whole shpiel. Some of his recent observations on politics
are unintentionally funny, from the snippets I've gleaned here and there
Using Michael Lind as an authority, there CK, he's kind of the Texas species of Brooks/Frum, or Wilentz. Brinkley
I would throw in economists like Galbraith, into the mix, under the general rubric of inequality, creating the conditions instead of the usual turns of the business cycle, It took true handiwork to turn it into the Great Depression, like with Smoot Hawley, the subsequent fall of Creditanstalt, etc
No they are not the same Rocketman, even though are related, Critical theory stems from the Frankfurt school of Adorno, which gave us Herbert Marcuse, one of the leading inspiration for groups like the SDS. Conflict theory is more generalized. If that was Obama's mother's
focus as part of her anthropological focus, it explains a fair amount
about the formation of his thought processes
THe same historians that blame Harding and Coolidge's tax cuts for the depression, whereas the McCumber and Smoot/Hawley tariffare more at fault, who state that the New Deal got us out, who paint Nixon as evil, Reagan as clueless, despite he presided over an economic boom and the fall of the Soviet Union .and W as the combination of the two. Yes let us rely on them, to tell us the truth.
Now your quibbling, TR was not a Progressive, but he certainly implemented progressive policies. He was not a Socialist neither
was Bismark, but they each had a disdain for unrestrained liberal capitalism, as did Schmoller, Wagner, et al. Hayek's argument
against Keynes was based in parton his experience in the 20s,
where some degree of planning had permeated the culture
One might say that Nixon although he cited Disraeli was more of
a Bismarkian sort, and in the end, there can be. . . it didn;t work
out.
Ck, have you missed the last year, this administration through the stimulus, cap n trade, the financial deformation bill, is to pass through
statute and court action, what would ordinarily require an amendment
They (Time, Newsweek, Vanity Fair, GQ, Esquire, have become almost
a rightwing parody of a left broadsheet would be. The most recent issue which has Governor Perry on the cover, is remarkably clueless
in understanding the right's motivations, except in Hofstadlerian terms.
When I first read Charles McCarry's Better Angels back in the late 80s, the portrait of a left wing intelligentsia, being so virulently against the right, including a David Gregoryish anchor, called Patrick Graham, it seemed satirical. When McCarry updated it in 1995, it seemed less so, now in 2010, it doesn't even really catch up to reality
I didn't 'read the whole thing' as Glenn Reynolds would say, on Cooper, I glanced at several parts, including that instant. Btw, I noticed that Newsweek, that publication put together by the Harriman and co, is being very savagely dismissive of "Democracy in America" although not as much as the interview with Peter Carey, who sympathizes with the Times reviewer, that what De Tocqueville feared was democracy, or actually Sarah Palin
The quibble is regarding Van Jones own statements to the East Bay Express, regarding events after the LA riots, he may have exaggerated for street cred, coming from Yale Law. AS for Wilson, his actions are rather clear, I used to think he was the big pacifist, reluctant to intervene, that is the legend, Milton Cooper indicates his imperialistattitudes are almost parallel with his time at Princeton, as with TR, the "Paul Wolfowitz" of the McKinley administration. REgardless this crazy cast of character, the Chavez approving FEC 'political officer' the protege of Ehrlich as Science Advisor, other characters like Susstein, and assorted exemplars of the liberal menagerie. Kansas, Nebraska, a possibly infelicitous example
Why is it we continue to have 'epistemic closure' about how we got here, as we know now, Kanye West's whine about Katrina, wasn't accidental, it was carried forward by Van Jones's crew, the same who like Ahab, are still going after Beck's sponsors, and in various ways every spokesman of the right. Delay was targeted with an spurious indictment, which succeeded in knocking him out of leadership. Libby was similarly knocked out of his office, because they needed a scalp and 'good friend' Richard Armitage was willing to provide it. AS you see from the Rec Brow, the facts about how this disaster in the Gulf came to be, are not as black and white as the media will suggest, but rest assured the media will do everything to play this game of 'hangman' against one of our likely
path to economic development. The frauds behind the promotion of AGW are vast and rather clear.
How is that practicable, Russia started as a strictly ethnic enclave, the Kievan Rus and the Duchy of Muscovy and consumed the former Tatar states, the Caucasus, et al. With much larger diversity, the US
is much different in makeup. There is something to Beck's focus on
Samuel Adam's understanding of religion and other institutions
Some things seem axiomatic, that they didn't have to be spelled out, although Franklin seemed to be channeling the words of both Alexander
Tyler and even earlier Cicero, when he said 'a republic if we can keep it" They didn't think there would be such widespread contempt of the
founding traditions of the nation, or maybe they did. How long was Athens democratic opening, before it fell to Alicibiades and Cleon, not to mention the Council of 30
You're reading much too much into what Sarah wrote, and in a particularly negative way, kind of the way I was about Avatar,
for 400 million dollars (Dr. Evil pinky raised), it's not half bad, even considering all the embedded assumptions. She never said Beck was normal, you don't end up on that list if you are normal, you more likely than not are gifted in someway. I frankly would have thought that the Nuge's writeup on her, would concern you more.
When given a choice between listening to Frum, Brooks, Moran, Buckley, and Goldberg, Hanson, Steyn, Nordlinger and others, well you know where I and not a few of the Zombie Horde stand
No, Rex, we cannot let that happen, particularly in the dishonest circuitous way that it's being proposed, because this country is the
last best hope, who else would be left standing. Among other things
because it doesn't work,
Right, Joe NS, and Sam Adam's words makes Jefferson seem like Lindsay Graham, from some of what I gleaned at night from Glenn.
I used to take the left spokesman like Stewart, Colbert, and Moore
less seriously, because honestly they were either ignorant or craven,
no one would fall for their garbage, well what's the line that says fool me once. I admit, I find Beck a little too jeremiad at times, but then
again, sometimes you have to cry 'Fire' so people don't get burned
You test everybody's patience, Kate, including Jeff and Darleen who still let you post there, as I see you have a hatred for those who
flee from any despotism, like those Vietnamese in Orange County
and Houston, I'm sure you feel the same about my paisans in little
Havana, and kindred spirits from Maracaibo in Doral, who don't get
this 'wonderful Democratic revolution' thingy. We're all bitter clingers
that way.
Now CK, by they, since I cut my teeth on the American Spectator, that's why I found Hilyer's offering particularly offensive, you would
know that those who are recipients of the "Strange New Respect Award" is who I meant. Charmin Charlie is already way in the lead
Apparently CK, we are not supposed to describe what they are trying to do, I like her idiom of speaking better, no surprise, because she is
the more optimist of the two. despite everything that has happened in two years, is it somewhat progressive, small p, I suppose, but it is more constitutional than what is currently being offered.
For the life of me, I don't understand the strange one, not really, she must be a parody of the post modernist genre, Ot, Avatar kind of grows on you, when you only have to pay a buck to see it.
If they are receiving that kind of respect, McCain Graham, Chafee,
as they saying goes, you're doing it wrong. An example is the "Publication that Luce Built" now the sanctuary of the likes of Klein,
Halperin, et al, who make the renaissance courtier's seem like bitter
skeptics
AS opposed to the miniscule audiences of MSNBC, CNN and Headline News, each one chasing a test pattern, then again it could be burn
out after such a momentous fiasco as this health care leviathan
Ditto, Zoltan, I mean where else are you going to get a look at the likes of Samuel Adams, the distinction between who we have pretended
to exalt, like Shephard Fairey's Obama posters, and the legacy of our
founders, like Adams, like Washington, Jefferson, Beck is really in the tradition of Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin, a pamphleteer and a polemicist, as opposed to whom exactly. He's largely self educated, like another subject of contempt of the establishment. the voice of
Cape Girardeau, Missouri
My point, Ck is why jump to the conclusion that she's insincere. The other conclusion actually fits her record, as I think I've pointed out.
This isn't particularly new either, she called attention to the Breitbart
investigation of Lloyd and Jones, even before she signed with Fox.
I am a Hispanic Catholic, nishi, but I guess you can peg me like a bitter clinger, for that. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
As with most of Jeff Goldstein's threads you entirely miss the point.
No, I think she is quite sincere, remember she was the official on the oil commission who suspected that her boss was corrupt so she asked
the attorney general for permission, and resigned when she couldn't share the results of her investigation. The city council person who challenged the mentor that brought her on the council, Carney.
Yes, because we're talking about policy, like taking over industries, shutting down others, dictating how much can make, how much you can contribute to charity and to which charities are eligible. After all we can't keep "our air conditioners at 72 in the summer, or have the
biggest car or the biggest house" or words to that effect
So why use Gulag, talk about inflammatory language, unless the British
the French also do so. Supermax, who accidently gets sent there, with
Yousef and the Unabomber.
Beck flies a little off the tangent, I'll admit, but he has been more right than wrong about this adminstration. It's a little like James Angleton's 'Wilderness of Mirrors" dealing with insane, counterproductive policies
which are mightily are under be reframed as logical. WE can frame it
as inexperience and/or stupidity, but there is always a potential payoff
will all of these projects
Could you be a little more incomprehensible, thanks,
AS opposed to who, CK the impartial arbiters of Sawyer, Williams, and Couric, or the ratings powerhouses at MSNBC and CNN, sarc, The ones who heard Biden, say he recalled FDR addressing the nation on TV in 1929, and said, how insightful that was. Who paint tea partiers as
terrorists, but terrorists, specially the left wing variety as misunderstood idealists