You prompt a great idea. Give the militant atheists space next to the Ground Zero mosque for a Temple of Reason. In fact, give everybody a spot. I'd go to New York more often to check out the scene as the Pentacostal Church of God folks interact with the Muslims and the atheists. Add some Wiccans and you'd have a continuous tolerance happening of the sort never before seen in the history of the world.
A nice imposing mosque at Ground Zero will be a great place for "moderate" Muslims to hold vigorous protests, exercising their rights of assembly and speech, decrying the unfair treatment of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when he finally comes to trial in NYC. I'm looking forward to the banners.
I never said I was against the mosque. I'm hoping the mosque at ground zero is an ostentatious one, with an especially fiery Imam and a fully stocked book and pamphlet store.
Sully declared 30-40% of Muslims in favor of destroying the Big Apple and put us all under Sharia. I asked him for a similar estimate regarding those interested in religious war.
Okay, I'll bite. The vast majority of Muslims are not interested in open religious war because, I believe, they realize that their side is, at present, unprepared for open war. Which is why, on the other side, I'm for bringing it on now, or at least for ceasing the importation of people with no interest in assimilating and accepting whatever our shared values are, now that we've established (in the other thread) that we no longer even agree on fundamental rights.
What’s your estimate of the minority in favor of a religious war to the death?
Among my acquaintances the majority are in favor. I tend to be among the moderates since I only want a religious war to the point of surrender and giveback of all territory except the Arabian peninsula.
And, actually, a few days after 9/11 I realized that new major building in Manhatten was foolish. Thus I'm not surprised that plans to replace the WTC have been put off and put off. An investor would have to be insane (or have government guarantees) to put a signature building on that site.
"Frogs. It is not permitted to eat them because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing them, as is reported in the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Uthmaan, who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the killing of frogs. (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah; see also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6970). The rule is that everything which we are forbidden to kill, we are not allowed to eat; if we are allowed to eat it we are allowed to kill it."
Building anything above ground in Manhatten is foolish. The fanatics will come again, and again, eventually with a nuclear weapon.
Having said that I have to agree with CK. It's only a minority of Muslims (probably no more than 30 or 40%) who want to destroy the big apple and put us all under Sharia law; so it's unfair to blame the whole religion.
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@ CK MacLeod:
You prompt a great idea. Give the militant atheists space next to the Ground Zero mosque for a Temple of Reason. In fact, give everybody a spot. I'd go to New York more often to check out the scene as the Pentacostal Church of God folks interact with the Muslims and the atheists. Add some Wiccans and you'd have a continuous tolerance happening of the sort never before seen in the history of the world.
@ narciso:
A nice imposing mosque at Ground Zero will be a great place for "moderate" Muslims to hold vigorous protests, exercising their rights of assembly and speech, decrying the unfair treatment of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed when he finally comes to trial in NYC. I'm looking forward to the banners.
"Free the honorable servant of Allah!"
"Death to the Great Satan!"
@ Fourcheese casady:
I've completely surrendered to my inner counterculturist or perhaps my inner Janet Reno.
Burn baby burn.
@ CK MacLeod:
I never said I was against the mosque. I'm hoping the mosque at ground zero is an ostentatious one, with an especially fiery Imam and a fully stocked book and pamphlet store.
@ CK MacLeod:
Okay, I'll bite. The vast majority of Muslims are not interested in open religious war because, I believe, they realize that their side is, at present, unprepared for open war. Which is why, on the other side, I'm for bringing it on now, or at least for ceasing the importation of people with no interest in assimilating and accepting whatever our shared values are, now that we've established (in the other thread) that we no longer even agree on fundamental rights.
@ CK MacLeod:
Among my acquaintances the majority are in favor. I tend to be among the moderates since I only want a religious war to the point of surrender and giveback of all territory except the Arabian peninsula.
And, actually, a few days after 9/11 I realized that new major building in Manhatten was foolish. Thus I'm not surprised that plans to replace the WTC have been put off and put off. An investor would have to be insane (or have government guarantees) to put a signature building on that site.
@ fuster:
You need have no fear of going to Saudi Arabia.
Per the Al Magrib Forum
"Frogs. It is not permitted to eat them because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing them, as is reported in the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Uthmaan, who said that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the killing of frogs. (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah; see also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6970). The rule is that everything which we are forbidden to kill, we are not allowed to eat; if we are allowed to eat it we are allowed to kill it."
Building anything above ground in Manhatten is foolish. The fanatics will come again, and again, eventually with a nuclear weapon.
Having said that I have to agree with CK. It's only a minority of Muslims (probably no more than 30 or 40%) who want to destroy the big apple and put us all under Sharia law; so it's unfair to blame the whole religion.