Americans will often choose the route of self sacrifice in the percieved defense of America;not quite so eager in the defense of/helping hand for another nation. That why I'm against an all professional army in the case of nation building ambitions of the CIC. In the case of an actual attack on the US,no need for a Draft usually,everyone wants to help if its for real. Obviously,if Bush,on 9/12 had wanted a declaration of War/A Draft,he could have had both,he had his reasons not to go that route,although,I've never read a convincing explanation on that decision.
So why did we need a WW2 draft? In my opinion,neither Germany nor Japan were "Deeply" feared to conquer us by force. I would have fought it as a one front war against Japan,and then turned to Germany later. I'm sure there were/are many good arguments against that Strategy,but an obvious plus would have been that full concentration on the one front first,could have allowed us to clean up that mess much faster than we did,and our coming in the war late(WW1 Style) would have put terrible leverage on the GermanGeneral staff.
CK/ Neither we nor the Iraqis have or had the real world option of strictly minding our own business. That’s now how our real world works.
That's true about various common interests maybe even including regional war,but,the Iranians wants democracy just as badly as the Iraqis did,and still,that's their problem,they proved they could change their own regime in the past,they did that without our help.
My point exactly in giving Victor a chance to make his case,his case was very anemic. I heard Tony Blair bleeting on NPR today about how the Iraqis wanted our way of life,and that's fine,but what does that have to do with us?/or that's their problem/Blair never went there.
The worst way to nation build,(1)destroy a nation,(2)send a bunch of ignoramuses* to the destroyed nation,(3)Have them rebuild it.
*Ignorant about the nation they are rebuilding.
Here's the Best case scenario for the Iraq War by Victor Davis Hanson,a smart guy,for NRO,a friendly forum for Victor.
"So was Iraq worth the cost?--- The truth about Iraq is that, for all the tragedy and the loss, the U.S. military performed a miracle."
(1)After nearly seven years, a constitutional government endures in that country.
(2) all 23 of the writs for war passed by the Congress in 2002--were met and satisfied by the U.S. military."
(3) Libya gave up its WMD program;
(4)Dr. Khan’s nuclear franchise was shut down;
(5)Syria left Lebanon;
(6)American troops in Saudi Arabia, put there as protection against Saddam, were withdrawn.
(7) the destruction of al-Qaeda in Iraq helped to discredit the entire idea of radical Sunni Islamic terrorists
(8)the loss of thousands of foreign radical Islamists in Iraq had a positive effect on U.S. security
(9) Kurdistan was, prior to 2003, faced with the continual threat of genocidal attacks by Saddam Hussein; today it is a booming economy. All that would have been impossible without U.S. intervention.
Good list,Right? If Hanson can't justify it,who can?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/245340/iraq-through-looking-glass-victor-davis-hanson
Americans will often choose the route of self sacrifice in the percieved defense of America;not quite so eager in the defense of/helping hand for another nation. That why I'm against an all professional army in the case of nation building ambitions of the CIC. In the case of an actual attack on the US,no need for a Draft usually,everyone wants to help if its for real. Obviously,if Bush,on 9/12 had wanted a declaration of War/A Draft,he could have had both,he had his reasons not to go that route,although,I've never read a convincing explanation on that decision.
So why did we need a WW2 draft? In my opinion,neither Germany nor Japan were "Deeply" feared to conquer us by force. I would have fought it as a one front war against Japan,and then turned to Germany later. I'm sure there were/are many good arguments against that Strategy,but an obvious plus would have been that full concentration on the one front first,could have allowed us to clean up that mess much faster than we did,and our coming in the war late(WW1 Style) would have put terrible leverage on the GermanGeneral staff.
CK/ Neither we nor the Iraqis have or had the real world option of strictly minding our own business. That’s now how our real world works.
That's true about various common interests maybe even including regional war,but,the Iranians wants democracy just as badly as the Iraqis did,and still,that's their problem,they proved they could change their own regime in the past,they did that without our help.
CK/#5
My point exactly in giving Victor a chance to make his case,his case was very anemic. I heard Tony Blair bleeting on NPR today about how the Iraqis wanted our way of life,and that's fine,but what does that have to do with us?/or that's their problem/Blair never went there.
The worst way to nation build,(1)destroy a nation,(2)send a bunch of ignoramuses* to the destroyed nation,(3)Have them rebuild it.
*Ignorant about the nation they are rebuilding.
Here's the Best case scenario for the Iraq War by Victor Davis Hanson,a smart guy,for NRO,a friendly forum for Victor.
"So was Iraq worth the cost?--- The truth about Iraq is that, for all the tragedy and the loss, the U.S. military performed a miracle."
(1)After nearly seven years, a constitutional government endures in that country.
(2) all 23 of the writs for war passed by the Congress in 2002--were met and satisfied by the U.S. military."
(3) Libya gave up its WMD program;
(4)Dr. Khan’s nuclear franchise was shut down;
(5)Syria left Lebanon;
(6)American troops in Saudi Arabia, put there as protection against Saddam, were withdrawn.
(7) the destruction of al-Qaeda in Iraq helped to discredit the entire idea of radical Sunni Islamic terrorists
(8)the loss of thousands of foreign radical Islamists in Iraq had a positive effect on U.S. security
(9) Kurdistan was, prior to 2003, faced with the continual threat of genocidal attacks by Saddam Hussein; today it is a booming economy. All that would have been impossible without U.S. intervention.
Good list,Right? If Hanson can't justify it,who can?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/245340/iraq-through-looking-glass-victor-davis-hanson
Obama on Iraq and Afghanistan so reminded me of LBJ selling us on Vietnam,it was uncanny.