I read his book,and I also spoke with him about it,I knew him since the Seventies when I was a law book salesman in Century City,and he was my client,Anyway,he told me,and it was mentioned in his book that 40% of all the documents relating to the JFK Coup d Etat are still not public records being in the hands of the Kennedy Family,FBI/CIA, we'll all be dead before they're released if ever,so his "definitive" book is 60% definitive. He told me that he doubts if anything in those documents will contradict his opinion,and I agree with him,after 100 years,the holders of those documents might have made some changes.
I also spoke with him,off the record,about Manson,and he admitted that the family was perfectly capable of carrying out those killings without any direction from CM,therfore the jury should have given up a verdict of Not guilty based on reasonable doubt/the family members/Watson/Houton/Kerwinkel still had their free will,therfore CM,who wasn't present,was probably,LEGALLY,Not Guilty.
NO, Malcom. I'm so glad you know all the "facts": about these killings,but,pardon mois,I think it's all made up. I have no opinions, because we have no facts. All we have is dis/misinformation/and that is just an opinion.
@ Rex Caruthers:
Sometimes there aren’t any good alternatives.
WRONG,TELL THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A GOOD ALTERNATIVE BUT IT MIGHT GET YOU KILLED,
truly exceptional American idea”
CK,I,at one time,was the true believer of all the true believers in the American Myth. I was also the last kid in my class to find out about Santa Claus /The Easter Bunny
What did me in were the Four Assasinations,and the fiddle f------g around with investigating them followed by the V War,I admire the Ability to live thru all that unscathed,
I play these mind games all the time,but here is my actual top 20 list for how I feel today,this is not a list of what I should like,or what I did like,but my favorites in the here and now,not necessarily in order:
Subject to change without notice/
Othello/The unravelable mystery of Chaos
Solzhenitsyn's RED WHEEL/The Bible of Twentieth Century History
Tess of The D'Urbervilles/Awesome portrait of Abuse
Agammenon/The Handbook of Reversal of Fortune
Gatsby/Unexplainable Poetic Genius
God is a Bullet/Boston Teran/Unique one time wonder
Jude the Obscure/The maddening power of Sex denied
Jane Eyre/Greatest Novel of 19th Century England
Lady Chatterly/The First Sentence
Romeo/Juliet/Universal Experience
Who's Afraid Virginia Woolf/Look back on our marriages
The Cenci/Ultimate Portrait of Institutionalized Evil
Road Not Taken/The Road not Taken makes the list because it is the least understood/most mistaught poem in our language
WasteLand/The Metaphor
Prufrock/A Zombie Contentions type
Ozimandias&Second Coming/ I can't help myself;these most overquoted poems are so seductive that even the abuse/misuse of them,won't diminish the illusions they create
Stopping Snowy Evening/The Siren Call of Death
Revolutionary Road/The Most vivid portrayl of the Pathetic in American Literature
An AMERICAN TRAGEDY/The Underbelly of Ambition in America
FOOLS OF TIME/Northrup Frye/121 pages that you can spend a lifetime reading/rereading/Political analysis of the first order
Agreed,but I would so miss your attempts to defend the indefensible,the domestic status quo which guarantees our national bankruptcy,and the foreign policy status quo which has made us the laughing stock of the world. I believe that the Neo-Con simple mindedness might still be underlying your inability to committ to any change in either because you envision change to be an unacceptable criticism to Exceptional America. Here's Pete Wehner's version of this emotion,"It is hard to overstate the importance of, and the sheer brilliance and prescience of, the American Constitution. It established the world’s first stable democratic government and provided the governing framework for the most powerful and benevolent nation in human history."* If we don't get past this fairy tale mentality,the nation is going to be filing Chapter 7,and our cities are going to be burning rubble either from both internal&external attack. My new nickname is Cassandra.LOL
*http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/359046
MC/
I'm not talking about what would work "Strategically",but what would work symbolically. I would have loved to see a million Christians,Jews,and Atheists tromping around the "Holy" land,willy nilly,and while we were there en masse,we should have been sitting on(Squattors rights)some nice oil properties. Do you really think that after that spectacle,they would have wanted us back?
BTW,looking at my list of wars fought on non-American soil,ALL OF THEM,I get the feeling that Bush's mantra,"Fight the War over there,so we don't have to fight it here" is merely a continuation of the American War Tradition.
9/11 gave us an initial preview of what so many other nations have experienced from time to time,and we didn't like it very much. A decade later,it's still an oozing wound.
Do we really believe that the citizens of those nations that from time to time we bombed into the stone age,love us as we love ourselves? BUT,the unfortunate "Truth" about 9/11 is that Terrorism works on America,and we can be destroyed by a successful series of terror attacks. As long as there remains no specific target to drop our nukes,we're sitting Ducks. That's the main reason that we should have reacted to 9/11 WW2 style;we needed to communicate to the Terrorists in a manner they would never forget. We needed to launch a WW2 size army into the NE,and the message being,for any attack,WE'LL BE BACK.
Check out my list in #12,tell me you don't see a pattern of generating war in other people's back yard while generating unrealistic scenarios about our RISK. Iran could use the same MO against us,we are aiding Israel who is an existential threat to Iran(200 Nukes) therfore we are committing agression against Iran.
CK understands my bigger point in #18,and its major weakness,that it involves a criticism of our foreign policy since 1917,making my point in effect,to create an alternate reality for the period 1917-1941 vis a vis Germany,if we hadn't aggressed in 1917,things might not have been so bloody later. Had Germany won WW1,things might have been more like the aftermath of the Franco-Prussian War. However,The Allies paid dearly for extracting their many ozs of blood at Versailles,as did the Bad guys.
13.George Jochnowitz wrote: Rex,
Germany declared war on the United States before the US responded.
14.fuster wrote: @ Rex Caruthers:
but that they declared war upon us.
We weren't neutral, we declared war de facto before they did. They didn't want war with us;and we pushed them into it,however,once we found about their Final Solution plans,we had every moral right to do some regime changing,but previous to that,all the aggression was on our side;both of you know this,so what's the point?
George,please see the pattern:
Germany 1917
Germany 1941
Korea 1950
Vietnam 1965
Iraq 1991
Iraq 2003
Afghanistan 2009
None of these countries attacked us or were factually a threat to our national security,yet,in our opinion,they were viable threats,those opinions guided us into 26+ years of warfare at the following expense(Fill in the Blanks) $s,Casulties,Deaths.
Do you see a pattern of self-deception,imperial hybris,and grotesque hypocrisy in these wars of aggression.
George,Please recall that the last time we f---d with NK/China we left 50000 corpses to commerate that conflict. If you went to the afterlife,how many of those 50000 would say that sacrifice was in our national interest in an undeclared war.
Also,remember that NK&China have a 3000 year relationship/the idea of "blood-brothers" turning against each other in order to further our interests in that region is not viable. \
That you use the example of total failure in NK to somehow contrast/justify our failures here is a mystery to me.
Bugliosi,
I read his book,and I also spoke with him about it,I knew him since the Seventies when I was a law book salesman in Century City,and he was my client,Anyway,he told me,and it was mentioned in his book that 40% of all the documents relating to the JFK Coup d Etat are still not public records being in the hands of the Kennedy Family,FBI/CIA, we'll all be dead before they're released if ever,so his "definitive" book is 60% definitive. He told me that he doubts if anything in those documents will contradict his opinion,and I agree with him,after 100 years,the holders of those documents might have made some changes.
I also spoke with him,off the record,about Manson,and he admitted that the family was perfectly capable of carrying out those killings without any direction from CM,therfore the jury should have given up a verdict of Not guilty based on reasonable doubt/the family members/Watson/Houton/Kerwinkel still had their free will,therfore CM,who wasn't present,was probably,LEGALLY,Not Guilty.
the fourth, Lowenstein??
NO, Malcom. I'm so glad you know all the "facts": about these killings,but,pardon mois,I think it's all made up. I have no opinions, because we have no facts. All we have is dis/misinformation/and that is just an opinion.
@ Rex Caruthers:
Sometimes there aren’t any good alternatives.
WRONG,TELL THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A GOOD ALTERNATIVE BUT IT MIGHT GET YOU KILLED,
truly exceptional American idea”
CK,I,at one time,was the true believer of all the true believers in the American Myth. I was also the last kid in my class to find out about Santa Claus /The Easter Bunny
What did me in were the Four Assasinations,and the fiddle f------g around with investigating them followed by the V War,I admire the Ability to live thru all that unscathed,
CK/More Literature/My Favorites top twenty
I play these mind games all the time,but here is my actual top 20 list for how I feel today,this is not a list of what I should like,or what I did like,but my favorites in the here and now,not necessarily in order:
Subject to change without notice/
Othello/The unravelable mystery of Chaos
Solzhenitsyn's RED WHEEL/The Bible of Twentieth Century History
Tess of The D'Urbervilles/Awesome portrait of Abuse
Agammenon/The Handbook of Reversal of Fortune
Gatsby/Unexplainable Poetic Genius
God is a Bullet/Boston Teran/Unique one time wonder
Jude the Obscure/The maddening power of Sex denied
Jane Eyre/Greatest Novel of 19th Century England
Lady Chatterly/The First Sentence
Romeo/Juliet/Universal Experience
Who's Afraid Virginia Woolf/Look back on our marriages
The Cenci/Ultimate Portrait of Institutionalized Evil
Road Not Taken/The Road not Taken makes the list because it is the least understood/most mistaught poem in our language
WasteLand/The Metaphor
Prufrock/A Zombie Contentions type
Ozimandias&Second Coming/ I can't help myself;these most overquoted poems are so seductive that even the abuse/misuse of them,won't diminish the illusions they create
Stopping Snowy Evening/The Siren Call of Death
Revolutionary Road/The Most vivid portrayl of the Pathetic in American Literature
An AMERICAN TRAGEDY/The Underbelly of Ambition in America
FOOLS OF TIME/Northrup Frye/121 pages that you can spend a lifetime reading/rereading/Political analysis of the first order
CK/I forgot the Literature:
Shakespeare,Sonnet 124,"---Fools of Time*,Which Die for Goodness,who have lived for Crime."
*Title of Northrop Frye's book referred to yesterday.
It’s your funeral
Agreed,but I would so miss your attempts to defend the indefensible,the domestic status quo which guarantees our national bankruptcy,and the foreign policy status quo which has made us the laughing stock of the world. I believe that the Neo-Con simple mindedness might still be underlying your inability to committ to any change in either because you envision change to be an unacceptable criticism to Exceptional America. Here's Pete Wehner's version of this emotion,"It is hard to overstate the importance of, and the sheer brilliance and prescience of, the American Constitution. It established the world’s first stable democratic government and provided the governing framework for the most powerful and benevolent nation in human history."* If we don't get past this fairy tale mentality,the nation is going to be filing Chapter 7,and our cities are going to be burning rubble either from both internal&external attack. My new nickname is Cassandra.LOL
*http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/359046
MC/
I'm not talking about what would work "Strategically",but what would work symbolically. I would have loved to see a million Christians,Jews,and Atheists tromping around the "Holy" land,willy nilly,and while we were there en masse,we should have been sitting on(Squattors rights)some nice oil properties. Do you really think that after that spectacle,they would have wanted us back?
I'M Hanging(myself)LOL
BTW,looking at my list of wars fought on non-American soil,ALL OF THEM,I get the feeling that Bush's mantra,"Fight the War over there,so we don't have to fight it here" is merely a continuation of the American War Tradition.
9/11 gave us an initial preview of what so many other nations have experienced from time to time,and we didn't like it very much. A decade later,it's still an oozing wound.
Do we really believe that the citizens of those nations that from time to time we bombed into the stone age,love us as we love ourselves? BUT,the unfortunate "Truth" about 9/11 is that Terrorism works on America,and we can be destroyed by a successful series of terror attacks. As long as there remains no specific target to drop our nukes,we're sitting Ducks. That's the main reason that we should have reacted to 9/11 WW2 style;we needed to communicate to the Terrorists in a manner they would never forget. We needed to launch a WW2 size army into the NE,and the message being,for any attack,WE'LL BE BACK.
where they do not fit
Check out my list in #12,tell me you don't see a pattern of generating war in other people's back yard while generating unrealistic scenarios about our RISK. Iran could use the same MO against us,we are aiding Israel who is an existential threat to Iran(200 Nukes) therfore we are committing agression against Iran.
CK understands my bigger point in #18,and its major weakness,that it involves a criticism of our foreign policy since 1917,making my point in effect,to create an alternate reality for the period 1917-1941 vis a vis Germany,if we hadn't aggressed in 1917,things might not have been so bloody later. Had Germany won WW1,things might have been more like the aftermath of the Franco-Prussian War. However,The Allies paid dearly for extracting their many ozs of blood at Versailles,as did the Bad guys.
all the aggression was on our side
We were helping England in lots of ways,what was Germany doing to us?
13.George Jochnowitz wrote: Rex,
Germany declared war on the United States before the US responded.
14.fuster wrote: @ Rex Caruthers:
but that they declared war upon us.
We weren't neutral, we declared war de facto before they did. They didn't want war with us;and we pushed them into it,however,once we found about their Final Solution plans,we had every moral right to do some regime changing,but previous to that,all the aggression was on our side;both of you know this,so what's the point?
George,please see the pattern:
Germany 1917
Germany 1941
Korea 1950
Vietnam 1965
Iraq 1991
Iraq 2003
Afghanistan 2009
None of these countries attacked us or were factually a threat to our national security,yet,in our opinion,they were viable threats,those opinions guided us into 26+ years of warfare at the following expense(Fill in the Blanks) $s,Casulties,Deaths.
Do you see a pattern of self-deception,imperial hybris,and grotesque hypocrisy in these wars of aggression.
George,Please recall that the last time we f---d with NK/China we left 50000 corpses to commerate that conflict. If you went to the afterlife,how many of those 50000 would say that sacrifice was in our national interest in an undeclared war.
Also,remember that NK&China have a 3000 year relationship/the idea of "blood-brothers" turning against each other in order to further our interests in that region is not viable. \
That you use the example of total failure in NK to somehow contrast/justify our failures here is a mystery to me.
I have no concrete evidence to back me up
George,please,so what?,we don't live in NK,we live in the increasingly juvenile USA.
that the main issue was masturbation
What about Mutual M,or is that an Oxy?