@ Sully: My mother-in-law was the youngest of ten and they would spend decades sometimes carrying on conversations through their children rather than speaking directly to each other as a way of keeping a hot wholesome grudge going...while, or course, preserving their dignity.

I probably should give Peter's page a look.

and a hitchhiking scorpion.

Sully wrote:

You’re the only one I can trust. I think. . .

I'm Trustworthy,; Loyal,; Helpful,; Friendly,;don't believe what my wife says. she lies about everything.

part of the Albionese crime family what ran Bensonhurst and Bay Ridge after the Gallos moved on?

very nice, but what makes you so sure that the bartender is Irish?

I don't think that the doctors allow Geller any kind of razor, miggs.

Tsar, us old philosophers were taught that it avails you little to discuss the poorer versions of the argument that you're opposing.

I will most happily break off for the night or the century, but would suggest to you that miggs and Sully have a good common sense argument to offer and that their failings aren't to be laid at the feet of common sense.

Sully starts out with a good base of facts and then screws up by abandoning common sense and taking his facts and applying logic to tell him that everyone who professes to believe the same creed must be willing to take similar action.
He abandons the world and common sense and screws himself into using logic to reach an illogical outcome that any common sense-loving non-German philosopher-loving person has to scoff at.

Some people will do some things and say that their beliefs tell them to do it.
Many people say that they share those beliefs.

Therefore all of the many are thinking that they should, or are permitted, to do those same things.

Common sense says that there are a zillion other things to consider and that the 100% of believers deciding that they approve or might perform or can tolerate those things that the Islamic radical terrorists do is a very, very non commonsensical percentage.

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@ CK MacLeod:
what's a naval geezer?

you better not be saying mean stuff about my Jennifer.

I got high hopes and think that's she's young and spry and spirited.
I'm sorta hoping that she's really open to inter-species dating and I'm trying to get up the nerve to invite her to the Big Hop this coming spring.

(mean things about the other Jennifer are allowed and encouraged. she's just a lousy writer and either never learned anything in law school or is entirely dishonest. I also have a couple of people who've met the lady and assure me that I'm on solid ground in thinking that she's dumb as a boot.)

intution as common sense? nah

experience or observation yeah

and no common sense does not oppose reason or call it sophistry.

it opposes application of formal logic or formulaic logical process to situations in the very real world. usually these situations are too complex to yield a simple and certain resolution and common sense has a damn good reason to resist people insisting on that their reasoning has produced one.

common sense says that there are possible answers and that they each will only give answers of differing probabilities.

the people saying that common sense has dictated a sure answer are either simply wrong and simple or are asserting that their analysis of probabilities has produced one that is superior to the point of being the best.

you've got to sort out the lousy versions of common sense from the people inarticulate but sensible.

yes, do say more later. I'm not real clear on this 'graph

This is what I see too many calling for: A “common sense” rejection of a misunderstood, mis-defined collective other. It is the contradiction that pervades the Islamophobic right, and that recurs at every level of political discussion – a constant betrayal of what it is that the self-styled advocates of the Judeo-Christian West pretend to be defending. Yes, the alternative approach, the one rejected by literalists and common-sensicalists alike, is difficult, and puts many simple securities and habits of mind and feeling seemingly in jeopardy, but it’s what, to put it in religious terms, God demands of us, and, according to the Rabbis, will be demanded of us .

As unclear as I find it, there are several interesting things there.

The quotation above it that defines common sense as being based on feeling is one of the least satisfying and plausible explanations that I've ever read.