Scott Miller wrote:

Like his no timeouts bit. He believes in not calling timeouts. He holds on to the idea as a fundamentalist mentality. How about just reading each moment for what it is and doing what’s needed according to present moment engagements?

I think you've completely inverted his intention. The reluctance to call timeouts fits organically within his entire approach, which also happens to be about developing an organic philosophy of the game and involving the players in it. I think that if you weren't such a New Age meanie Clippers fan, you'd be sympathetic to the concept. I think you're rebelling against it because you know you're supposed to like it, just like you're rebelling against him because you don't like someone else stepping on your turf. I think that you in fact know all of the very good reasons he's reluctant to call timeouts, what it teaches the players, how it fits within his philosophy of the game, how it doesn't interfere with being in the moment at all, though it may offer a different perspective on the moment. I think all of this because you are a basketball demi-god to me, and I refuse to believe that you don't know all of this backwards and forwards in your sleep.

I'm very sorry that the Clippers aren't closing out their season with a bang. Griffin may have hit the wall, and they're not playing for anything. Maybe next year. Maybe the South will rise again.

Well, this discussion has strayed so far from the top post, I'd have to write a book to bring them together. On the other hand, purely for anthropological interest, I can submit the following, which I ran across at a truly foul web site last night:

Human nature is quite something. As for how this might apply to the post... you may have to await that book...

Never saw Streets of Fire, but I know from the memorabilia biz that it still has kind of a cult following. Not a huge cult, but a following...

@ Scott Miller:
You offered a proposition: If C thought about x it would result in y. You didn't explain why C might ought to desire y, as against or in combination with unspecified co-results n1, n2, n3, etc. Since C doesn't really even understand x or how it relates to y, C had remained silent til now. You can consider this comment a desperate plea for help in the name of... Being.

fuster wrote:

MacLeod, I have told you more than once, that following your suggestion that I contact them, I have done so more than a dozen times, without reply.

I guess I missed the part where you stated that clearly.

I find their conduct questionable and disturbing. If you don't mind, I will make inquiries of my own. If I am warted forever as a fraternizer with frogs, so be it.

Still wish you'd called out the HotAryans, not that I think participating there is really worth a second thought these days.

@ miguel cervantes:
I'm not aware of any time that MW wasn't a den of whatever it's a den of. For all of its flaws, and for all of odiousness of the various groupthinks, it happens to be one of the few places I know of where a decent range of opinion is articulately expressed - I mean from the Israeli centrist types (eee, wondering jew, hophmi) all the way to the far left anti-Zs, and a seasoning of nutjobs and fools... but whadda u expect? It's the internet.

It's interesting that the soft Zionists get much more vicious treatment than the Izzys, and that the left Izzys and the center Izzys rarely engage with each other....

@ fuster:
What about option 3? (Contact 'em and get explanation) You never contact the HotAryans about banning you either, did you, misery frog?

It's not just that I'm deeply concerned that you have places other than this Zombie-hole to visit - by the way, do Zombies defecate, and, if they don't why don't they? I did enjoy following your fussing and fighting at MW, as I also used to enjoy it at HA (and probably would have enjoyed it at FDL if you'd clued me into it when it was happening). Getting the ideologues to show their cards yields useful intelligence.

Slightly different things, but the arguments I had with Allahpundit, JED, and a few others around the time of my definitive break with the rightosphere were very helpful in my de-programming.

Anyway, I'd really like to know how PW explains banning the likes of you, the actual words he uses to explain it - assuming that's what's happened, I'm still not fully convinced. I would have enjoyed your putting Morrissey and AP on the spot, too. It might have been revelatory, could anyway have been used against them in the world court of opinion.

@ fuster:
Why is this so difficult? Other than suspicion, do you have any reason to believe that you Fuster have been proscribed? It IS possible that you're having a browser/operating system glitcheraction with MW's verkakte installation. Actual human beings would try 1) clearing their browser cache, 2) switching to a different browser, and 3), independently, contacting the site administrator and asking for an explanation/help/advice.

Incidentally, I know that there are MWers who claim that the "Arabs followed the Jews for the geld" story is "Zio-BS."

@ fuster:
Was your vacuumed comment the above? Are you absolutely sure that your comments are being moderated into the abyss by real human beings because they are deemed evil? You know there are weird glitcheractions between Apple and some WordPress installations.

I still don't get it. It's not like the Israelis don't get a chance to pipe up, or the much-hated Richard Witty.

Did you keep a record of the latest un-submitted comment? I'm tempted to put one of your evil comments up under my good name and see if gets yanked, but I still would like a clear explanation from the Weissman or the other guy.

The points you make would be welcome. One of these years I may have to enter the Israeli history wars. Scary prospect. I almost brought up the Grand Mufti and Nazi collaborators generally receiving pitiless treatment (unless they were rocket scientists). They woulda loved that.

I think that discussion like this often works on people beneath the surface, shapes how they discuss things, not necessarily changing their positions on the superficial questions.

MHughes also seems to me like a less ignorant folk... But yes I'm really curious where he found the recipe for that sovereignty argument... You have any idea?

@ fuster:
Have you been tempted to jump in? Tried and failed?

What's your overview? Think Slater and/or sanity has made any progress?

@ fuster:
Nope, definitely no need to step on that lively discussion quite yet. Even the excerpt is a tall swallow, and most earnest Mondoweisspeople are probably still working links 51-55 of Seham's most recent aggregation.

I wish the good perfesser had resisted the temptation to respond to annie's un-Annie-ness. I was surprised to learn that that annie, on her own testimony, ain't Jewish, esp. after she compared herself to Sarah Silverman.

Which reminds me I've got to go walk the real Annie.

@ fuster:
not yet...

...if I went and posted there today, even presuming they accepted the post (not a sure thing), I'd step on the Slater discussion and in the best of circumstances put a whole weekend of internet arguing on my agenda... can't have that...

Also, Slater has already objected, in an e-mail, to being compared to Soffer, whom he detests - what I meant when I acknowledged my way of expressing myself on these issues leads to friction - said he was busy through Monday - want to see what else has to say, any reply to my reply to his reply to my response to his post...

well - as I think you know - it's not my usual style to respond to insults and provocations in kind, plus I have a friend in high places and an open invitation to work up something for them... but their treatment of you does make me feel reticent about further participation there.

Your (ex-?)gf even treated me politely the other day, though it may just have been an oversight on her part.

@ fuster:
I really don't get them. Have you tried to post a comment since, and been disallowed, or have you just thrown up your appendages?

Banned you? Feel like divulging the grisly details?

You've quit the Mondo? Their loss.

Well, here ya go: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/03/slater-seeks-to-reconcile-zionism-with-justice-for-palestinians.html

Let the games begin.

@ fuster:
Not a great expectation, just want to avoid duplication of effort and waste of energy.

Agree with your second point, and it's easy to underrate. It may not even be solvable. Which is why they may, in their own minds, be holding out for dignity or apocalypse, but what they're getting on the ground is Soffer.