and if you look into it, you'll find that every debate was handled by a Republican Party auxiliary or ad hoc org in conjunction with those evil media outlets - but it's truly ironic to see you assert that epistemic closure is an absurd notion at the same time that you're casting all media other than Fox ("possibly") into the lake of fire never to be heard from again.
Scuse me, EXCUSE ME, but as far as I know all of these debates are sponsored or co-sponsored by Republican or Republican-approved organizations. If you have a problem, it's with the GOP.
miguel cervantes: And you think a bailout will solve the European debt crisis
actually didn't say anything of the kind. My comment was on the absence of discussion at the debate, not that I would have had any high hopes for such discussion, but it's not even that they have bad ideas, or weak understanding of alternative ideas. They hardly even seem aware of the possibility of discussion.
Saying "it's an absurd notion" doesn't deal with the critique or with its contents, just as getting upset about Sullivan's parenthetical statement regarding Palin has nothing to do with the substance of his remarks on the Rs as they are.
The very poor quality of the Republican conservative discourse at this point in time says it all - an economic debate in Michigan, on the day the Dow dropped 400 pts on continuing Euro problems, and hardly a word on either the auto bailouts or the Euro except for stale repetition of the same old generic talking points that were being talking-pointed in 1982, 1992, 2002, and by all appearances will be the sum and substance of the Republican policy platform in 2012.
Consistent? To credit Cain with a "consistent world view" is like crediting Derrick Rose with a consistent dribble:
to say that Herman Cain has an imperfect grasp of policy would be unfair not only to George W. Bush in 1999 but also to Britney Spears in 1999. Herman Cain seems like someone who, quite frankly, has never opened a newspaper.
But I suspect Cain’s flubs are unrelated to intelligence. In 2010, Julian Sanchez of the Cato Institute set off a lively debate by suggesting conservatives had fallen prey to “epistemic closure,” a fancy way of saying that they were getting all their information and opinions exclusively from one another. This may or may not be true of the conservative movement. But it is certainly true of Herman Cain.
“I can honestly say that if I hadn’t been on the radio, I wouldn’t have been as familiar with the issues as I am now,” Cain has written. “I believe that having that program was God’s way of forcing me to understand the critical issues confronting our nation.”
In short, Cain’s briefings on politics came from heated right-wing callers on talk radio. “Epistemic closure” is probably too mild a term for such conditions.
and if you look into it, you'll find that every debate was handled by a Republican Party auxiliary or ad hoc org in conjunction with those evil media outlets - but it's truly ironic to see you assert that epistemic closure is an absurd notion at the same time that you're casting all media other than Fox ("possibly") into the lake of fire never to be heard from again.
Scuse me, EXCUSE ME, but as far as I know all of these debates are sponsored or co-sponsored by Republican or Republican-approved organizations. If you have a problem, it's with the GOP.
actually didn't say anything of the kind. My comment was on the absence of discussion at the debate, not that I would have had any high hopes for such discussion, but it's not even that they have bad ideas, or weak understanding of alternative ideas. They hardly even seem aware of the possibility of discussion.
Saying "it's an absurd notion" doesn't deal with the critique or with its contents, just as getting upset about Sullivan's parenthetical statement regarding Palin has nothing to do with the substance of his remarks on the Rs as they are.
The very poor quality of the Republican conservative discourse at this point in time says it all - an economic debate in Michigan, on the day the Dow dropped 400 pts on continuing Euro problems, and hardly a word on either the auto bailouts or the Euro except for stale repetition of the same old generic talking points that were being talking-pointed in 1982, 1992, 2002, and by all appearances will be the sum and substance of the Republican policy platform in 2012.
Consistent? To credit Cain with a "consistent world view" is like crediting Derrick Rose with a consistent dribble:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/magazine/on-the-ropes-with-herman-cain.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all