Found as essay where he develops some of these themes. I love Zezek but he is really a horse's ass, so that Critchley had a thing going with him recommends him to me. At any rate, the pope, at least rhetorically, meets the question of intrinscally evil violence with recommending martyrdom. This avoids Critchley's assertion that Christ knew the Sermon On the Mount was a "rediculous demand".
I'm not so sure this is fair. Christ preached the kingdom of God was at hand. In a real sense, early Chrstiananity was an end of the world cult.
Anyway...ths discussion does illustrate the dflliculty not “to immanentize the eschaton”. The pope's response to intrinsic evil that can not be dealt with another intrinsc evil is to accept martydom. That is, the one person the Christian bible authorizes to bind on earth and Heaven (thaat this can change from time to time really is irrelevant), says pay attention to your own shit - doing evil with good intention is still evil. Dying is better. This is a tall order - it's much easier to pont out the immanentizing of others.
I think this position thoough accords with the idea of God as mystery. The problem is who has the authority to designate good and evil. With no authority we're thrown back into relativism. Giving it to one guy, we've seen some inconsistent results, giving it to everyone and we end up with the last Republican primary field.
This is pretty much Pope John Paul II's reasoning in Veritas Splendor in includng torture as an intrinsically evil act. Secction 80 gets to the heart of it. Affirming the Second Vatican Council, he lists torture as one of the "intrinsically evil" acts.
With regard to intrinsically evil acts, and in reference to contraceptive practices whereby the conjugal act is intentionally rendered infertile, Pope Paul VI teaches: "Though it is true that sometimes it is lawful to tolerate a lesser moral evil in order to avoid a greater evil or in order to promote a greater good, it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it (cf. Rom 3:8) — in other words, to intend directly something which of its very nature contradicts the moral order, and which must therefore be judged unworthy of man, even though the intention is to protect or promote the welfare of an individual, of a family or of society in general".133
In section 92 he recomends martyrdom as the the correct response rather than doing an "intrinsically evil"
act.
Benedict XVI reaffirmed this in 2007: "In this regard, I reiterate that the prohibition against torture “cannot be contravened under any circumstances"".
Found as essay where he develops some of these themes. I love Zezek but he is really a horse's ass, so that Critchley had a thing going with him recommends him to me. At any rate, the pope, at least rhetorically, meets the question of intrinscally evil violence with recommending martyrdom. This avoids Critchley's assertion that Christ knew the Sermon On the Mount was a "rediculous demand".
I'm not so sure this is fair. Christ preached the kingdom of God was at hand. In a real sense, early Chrstiananity was an end of the world cult.
Anyway...ths discussion does illustrate the dflliculty not “to immanentize the eschaton”. The pope's response to intrinsic evil that can not be dealt with another intrinsc evil is to accept martydom. That is, the one person the Christian bible authorizes to bind on earth and Heaven (thaat this can change from time to time really is irrelevant), says pay attention to your own shit - doing evil with good intention is still evil. Dying is better. This is a tall order - it's much easier to pont out the immanentizing of others.
I think this position thoough accords with the idea of God as mystery. The problem is who has the authority to designate good and evil. With no authority we're thrown back into relativism. Giving it to one guy, we've seen some inconsistent results, giving it to everyone and we end up with the last Republican primary field.
The Pope's response n the encyclycal was knda that ws then this is now. Your response does seem to admt a moral relavatism you take Colin to task for.
Yeah, I know, the content belongs on the torture post, but I was respondng here to Miggs comment about man, god and egoism.
This is pretty much Pope John Paul II's reasoning in Veritas Splendor in includng torture as an intrinsically evil act. Secction 80 gets to the heart of it. Affirming the Second Vatican Council, he lists torture as one of the "intrinsically evil" acts.
In section 92 he recomends martyrdom as the the correct response rather than doing an "intrinsically evil"
act.
Benedict XVI reaffirmed this in 2007: "In this regard, I reiterate that the prohibition against torture “cannot be contravened under any circumstances"".